[tkadm30 (OP)]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/12/donald-trump-climate-change-science-sierra-club

The catastrophe would be to continue clandestine geoengineering activity until it trigger climatic havoc. Calling global warming a hoax is risky and provocative. Unlike Obama, Weather Modification may not be Trump's priority.

[chiralSPO]

What is Rodrigo Duterte's opinion about chupacabras?

[tkadm30 (OP)]

What is Rodrigo Duterte's opinion about chupacabras?

You're missing the topic... What is Donald Trump opinion about chemtrails? A real world case of international criminal activity.

[ProjectSailor]

I think Trump might appoint Batman as the chemtrails advisor, and get him with his bat mobile monitoring environments all across the world just in case they are using the wrong brand of mind altering chemicals that make people think differently than him. I heard Hillary preferred the Xmen to do that though, its the main campaign difference.

[tkadm30 (OP)]

I appreciate the sense of humor on this thread and everything, but I'd like a more scientific discussion on geoengineering prohibition. I think its time for opening the debate and investigate the issue seriously.

http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=67302

[tkadm30 (OP)]

Who cares.  That orange skinned clown will never get anywhere near the white house, thankfully...

Looks like a majority of Americans do care, thankfully...

[chiralSPO]

Who cares.  That orange skinned clown will never get anywhere near the white house, thankfully...

Looks like a majority of Americans do care, thankfully...

And suddenly I feel like a curator of the Library of Alexandria...

[btekwindsolar]

It is clear that arrogance, a disease so heinous and destructive has infected this post. Clearly the myth that only the liberal left are intelligent and have science to back them while conservatives are faith based morons makes me want to barf.

The liberal left has been completely overtaken by the corporate globalist elite, who teach them that you either agree with global warming, vaccines, common core, cancer research, medical industry and pharmaceutical sciences or you are retarded. Each one is a fraud and yet is government supported.

EACH ONE.

It makes me sick to my stomach that "persons" who called themselves "intellectual" are in fact complete idiots who don't know or can not learn the truth because their ego's and paid for education can not be wrong, how could they be - they paid top dollar for this "knowledge". Complete load of hog wash and indoctrination contemplation that will lead you to the fact that you either get really depressed with the reality of their folly but often instead will pray liberals win so they can keep up their fantasies.

Well guess what buttercups, fantasy just became totally lame, and reality is global warming is simply a ploy to transfer wealth from North America to Asia by forcing unreasonable regulations that will drive industry out of business, and of course usher in trillions of dollars in fraudulent carbon taxes that goes directly in to the globalist elite's pockets - liberals are too stupid or arrogant to accept this lie so they go along with it hoping to get a fake job that can pay the tax no problem.

Vaccines,  filled with endocrine disrupting substances that stop hormones from communicating. Never had fertility clinics before, now we do - Why? Vaccines, the aluminum has built up so much in these females that the pituitary's hormonal signal can not be detected by the ovary to release an egg. If it is happening in women you can bet it's happening in men. Chemtrail are full of aluminum and aluminum is an endocrine disrupting substance. Also stops testicles signals to the brain -thus confused boys - all population control but liberals will say VACCINES WORK - PERIOD there is no discussion - complete drones and retards. 

Common Core = retard schools

Cancer is cured - Cannabis oil cures cancer, liberals can not accept it - can not accept cannabis cures cancer - only chemo and death and pushing never ending research donations. All Fraud. 3 months on Cannabis oil stage 4 cancer is gone. More fraud - more doctors driving nice cars, in big houses, and their job - murder.

All fraud and these people think they are assets to the community - all are parasites - time to rid ourselves of all this corruption.

Real doctors, surgeons after accidents, heroic medicine is what they call it - that I am pro and we need.

the rest - especially the psychotropic medicines, they're one of the most heinous chemicals allowed to be ingested by humans. Every single mass shooting, the shooter on psychotropics - or now muslim, because 'muslims" were not treated well. All liberal permitted activities that will soon come to an end.

This sick breed has been allowed to propagate far too long, protected - now it's time for the "balancing" effect to take place - look at the stock market - already "balancing itself back to normal"

Everything has changed, nothing is going to be the same again, no matter how hard the left tries. No matter how hard the left tries.

[chiralSPO]

Hello btekwindsolar, and welcome to the forum.

I don't think it is at all reasonable to break scientific prowess or intellect into a conservative vs liberal dichotomy. I know and respect many scientists who are socially/politically conservative, and I know many liberals who have the scientific understanding of a 6-year old. I also know many liberal scientists and a few conservative morons. That said, there appears to be a strong influence of anti-intellectualism in conservatism recently--one reason that I have changed from considering myself "conservative" to considering myself "moderate."

As both an "intellectual" and a "person" I am offended that you have labeled me a complete idiot. There are many claims and opinions in your post, some of which I agree with, and some of which I don't. So there is plenty of opportunity for discussion. Therefore, I (as a moderator of this forum) would recommend to you (as a new member) that you will find this forum much more rewarding if you use it as a platform for discussion, rather than for posting rants.

I consider myself open minded, and up for discussion on any topic. I am here both to learn and to teach, so I will freely confess that which I don't know, will admit when I have been shown to be wrong, and also take the opportunity to share what I do know, challenge what I feel is wrong or misguided, and try to understand why those I disagree with hold their views.

Please, do remember that this is first and foremost a science forum, so you will find that most of the members here value evidence-based approaches and hypotheses that are falsifiable. This is not a place for doctrine, so all are free to challenge even the best established scientific theories; but they must be challenged in the language and philosophy of science.

Also, we ask that our members refrain from insults and ad hominem attacks. It is totally fine to say that claims are wrong (especially if you have evidence to back yourself up), but calling other people (members or not) idiots, morons, fools, retards, or worse is not helpful and not acceptable. Of course, this also works the other way: mods will step in to protect you from abuse as well. I think we have done a good job keeping this forum civil for many years.

If this all sounds like a good deal to you, welcome!

It is clear that arrogance, a disease so heinous and destructive has infected this post. Clearly the myth that only the liberal left are intelligent and have science to back them while conservatives are faith based morons makes me want to barf.

The liberal left has been completely overtaken by the corporate globalist elite, who teach them that you either agree with global warming, vaccines, common core, cancer research, medical industry and pharmaceutical sciences or you are retarded. Each one is a fraud and yet is government supported.

EACH ONE.

It makes me sick to my stomach that "persons" who called themselves "intellectual" are in fact complete idiots who don't know or can not learn the truth because their ego's and paid for education can not be wrong, how could they be - they paid top dollar for this "knowledge". Complete load of hog wash and indoctrination contemplation that will lead you to the fact that you either get really depressed with the reality of their folly but often instead will pray liberals win so they can keep up their fantasies.

Well guess what buttercups, fantasy just became totally lame, and reality is global warming is simply a ploy to transfer wealth from North America to Asia by forcing unreasonable regulations that will drive industry out of business, and of course usher in trillions of dollars in fraudulent carbon taxes that goes directly in to the globalist elite's pockets - liberals are too stupid or arrogant to accept this lie so they go along with it hoping to get a fake job that can pay the tax no problem.

Vaccines,  filled with endocrine disrupting substances that stop hormones from communicating. Never had fertility clinics before, now we do - Why? Vaccines, the aluminum has built up so much in these females that the pituitary's hormonal signal can not be detected by the ovary to release an egg. If it is happening in women you can bet it's happening in men. Chemtrail are full of aluminum and aluminum is an endocrine disrupting substance. Also stops testicles signals to the brain -thus confused boys - all population control but liberals will say VACCINES WORK - PERIOD there is no discussion - complete drones and retards. 

Common Core = retard schools

Cancer is cured - Cannabis oil cures cancer, liberals can not accept it - can not accept cannabis cures cancer - only chemo and death and pushing never ending research donations. All Fraud. 3 months on Cannabis oil stage 4 cancer is gone. More fraud - more doctors driving nice cars, in big houses, and their job - murder.

All fraud and these people think they are assets to the community - all are parasites - time to rid ourselves of all this corruption.

Real doctors, surgeons after accidents, heroic medicine is what they call it - that I am pro and we need.

the rest - especially the psychotropic medicines, they're one of the most heinous chemicals allowed to be ingested by humans. Every single mass shooting, the shooter on psychotropics - or now muslim, because 'muslims" were not treated well. All liberal permitted activities that will soon come to an end.

This sick breed has been allowed to propagate far too long, protected - now it's time for the "balancing" effect to take place - look at the stock market - already "balancing itself back to normal"

Everything has changed, nothing is going to be the same again, no matter how hard the left tries. No matter how hard the left tries.

[puppypower]

One difference between liberal and conservative is liberal, by definition, is more willing to try new things, while conservative, by definition, is content to do things with a long track record.  In that respect, the well worn path of the conservatives tends to be supported by more data. This does not mean that new things, with less data are wrong, just that more data makes it easier to draw supported conclusions. To level the field, Liberalism uses emotions and politics to make their limited data look better than it actually is.

For example, common core education has become more about teachers teaching students how to do well on the common exams, rather than teaching students the basics skills needed for good learning habits. The result is tests scores look better; optics, but with more illiteracy and students more likely to memorize and use emotions to get their way. Conservatives tend to prefer to teach the test proven basics of reading, writing and arithmetic; foundation, while still allow experimental teaching methods by local and regional schools and teachers. This way innovation has space to root, while not prematurely forcing all students to conform to a poorly thought out innovation just to appear modern.

[tkadm30 (OP)]

Since Trump has been elected, I have a hard time to observe chemtrails!

[jeffreyH]

It that meant to prop up your non argument?

[tkadm30 (OP)]

I'm not sure what you meant, however, if my local observations are correct this could mean a huge victory for us.

[Bored chemist]

Since Trump has been elected, I have a hard time to observe chemtrails!

I'm pleased to see that you are hallucinating less.
Of course, it could be that cold weather makes a difference to vapour trails, and you interpret that as a reduction in the number of unreal things.

[jeffreyH]

The skies above Birmingham airport would send you into meltdown then. You could easily misidentify the trails across the sky.

[tkadm30 (OP)]

Unilateral geoengineering activity is a elitist science driven by scientific materialism to engineer the planet without complete knowledge of the consequences and risks of this technology for human health and the environment.

[Bored chemist]

Unilateral geoengineering activity is a elitist science driven by scientific materialism to engineer the planet without complete knowledge of the consequences and risks of this technology for human health and the environment.

Possibly- but since you have never shown any evidence that it is happening, it doesn't matter.

[Ethos_]

Chemtrails are produced when hot air emanating from the misinformed reach the upper levels of the stratosphere.

[tkadm30 (OP)]

Chemtrails are produced when hot air emanating from the misinformed reach the upper levels of the stratosphere.

Sure thing my friend.

Ignorance and disinformation works together to create mass schizophrenia about unilateral/clandestine geoengineering activity. 

[Bored chemist]

Sure thing my friend.
Ignorance and disinformation works together to create mass schizophrenia about unilateral/clandestine geoengineering activity. 

That's an interesting suggestion.
Which direction?
Are you saying that Ignorance of natural weather patterns and atmospheric physics combined with people knowingly telling lies about condensation trails produce the deluded belief that mass geoengineering via some poorly defined thing called "Chemtrails"is actually a real thing