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There's a video showing a BJJ fighter against a body builder in an MMA match. The body builder arguably has a better physique. But he was defeated in the match.
So "arguably" is wrong!
Anton Korinek Fellow, Brookings Institute Professor, UVA Former, Johns Hopkins, IMFFrontier of Automation - Task complexity of machines increases over time Unbounded Distribution - Human task complexity can go up indefinitely, meaning that some people will always be ahead of AGI and ASI Bounded Distribution - Humans have a maximum task complexity (Theory of General Relativity)Outlines 3 Scenarios 1. Business as Usual - All current trends continue without the frontier of automation continuing 2. 20 Year Baseline - AGI's frontier of automation subsumes most/all human abilities within about 20 years 3. 5 Year Aggressive - AGI's frontier of automation subsumes most/all human abilities within 5 years (more likely) Wages vs Output 1. Business as Usual - Wages and output continue to grow more or less correlated for the foreseeable future 2. 20 Year Baseline - Productivity (output) accelerates, but wages peak by about 10 years and then collapse to zero or near zero 3. 5 Year Aggressive - Same, but the parabolic curve is steeper (more likely IMHO)Persistent Jobs - Nostalgic Jobs - Human preference for humans (such as politicians and religious positions) - Experience Jobs - Tour guides, sex workers, performing artists - Care Jobs - Child care, massage therapy, nurses
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So the question is why bother with AGI?
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They can think faster and deeper than any human.
One government will have to compete with other governments.
People will have tendency to move to the more effective and efficient government aligning with their values.
But for whose benefit?
Why? Territories in civilised countries tend to collaborate rather than compete - at least until politicians get involved.
No evidence whatever. Government needs (a) someone to govern and (b) an external enemy to justify its existence. To guarantee (a) you have to invent (b) and prevent anyone from leaving.
Excluding politicians in political structures is not realistic.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 17/12/2023 06:01:17Quote from: alancalverd on 16/12/2023 11:58:11Obviously, the person making that judgement. Which is why there is no universal moral standard in a resource-limited environment. Have you ever heard about altruism, or patriotism? Those are examples of cases where the benefits are not received by the person who made the decision. The universal moral standard can only be found by identifying the universal terminal goal. It means that we need to first define what goal is.
Quote from: alancalverd on 16/12/2023 11:58:11Obviously, the person making that judgement. Which is why there is no universal moral standard in a resource-limited environment. Have you ever heard about altruism, or patriotism?
Obviously, the person making that judgement. Which is why there is no universal moral standard in a resource-limited environment.
Do you have an example of a government that was elected specifically to deal with poverty or famine, without blaming a human cause?
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 20/12/2023 21:07:08Excluding politicians in political structures is not realistic.Then restructure government so it is done by directly mandated representatives of the electorate, not apologists for political parties.
Do you have an example of a government that was elected specifically to deal with human caused problems, and explicitly refused to deal with natural problems?
If you haven't found the common goal of selfish, altruist, and patriotic actions, let me help you. They all try to give benefits to future conscious entities.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 21/12/2023 11:53:05Do you have an example of a government that was elected specifically to deal with human caused problems, and explicitly refused to deal with natural problems?Donald Trump, and pretty well any right-wing government. The "human problem" need not be real, but as long as you can nominate someone as the enemy, you can get people to vote for you.