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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #260 on: 29/07/2018 14:25:08 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 29/07/2018 10:37:14
Many probably agree that the river water has created the river bed.
If we assume that a couple of billion years ago the whole earth was covered with water and rotated faster, then the precession of the whirlpools was more significant, and the whirlpools could create the oceans, and the Mariana trench. And as a rule, on the edge of all trenches in the ocean, there is an arch of islands, and around the islands, a fairly powerful whirlpool rotates.
(The laws of nature are universal.) Lao Tzu.
There is a strict pattern:
Oceanic trenches are formed along the perimeter of the oceans, and over them a rapid current moves, tides and vertical movement of water are formed.
At the bottom of the Mariana depression there is no hydrogen sulphide.
Trenches are generally parallel to a volcanic island arc, and about 200 km (120 mi) from a volcanic arc.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceanic_trench
What's wrong here, give more objective criticism.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #261 on: 29/07/2018 14:37:01 »
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What's wrong here, give more objective criticism.
I told you what's wrong.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #262 on: 02/08/2018 06:06:15 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/07/2018 14:37:01
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 29/07/2018 14:25:08
What's wrong here, give more objective criticism.
I told you what's wrong.
You ignored it.
I answered all the questions (95 answers), but not all questions were correctly put, I could not answer them.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #263 on: 18/08/2018 14:14:16 »
In the Laptev Sea, the tide is well expressed, has the character of an irregular semidiurnal wave. A tidal wave enters, from the north and spreads to the shores, fading and deforming as they move towards them. The magnitude of the tide is usually small, mostly about 0.5 m. Only in the Khatanga Bay the sweep of tidal vibrations exceeds 2.0 m in syzygy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laptev_Sea
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #264 on: 18/08/2018 14:32:01 »
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In the Laptev Sea, the tide is well expressed, has the character of an irregular semidiurnal wave. A tidal wave enters, from the north and spreads to the shores, fading and deforming as they move towards them. The magnitude of the tide is usually small, mostly about 0.5 m. Only in the Khatanga Bay the sweep of tidal vibrations exceeds 2.0 m in syzygy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laptev_Sea
How does the tidal wave move from the north pole to the south.
Who can constructively answer this question.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #265 on: 18/08/2018 14:50:18 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 18/08/2018 14:32:01
"How can a tidal wave move from the north."
Who can answer this question.

Anyone who knows what the words mean.
If there is an earthquake at sea somewhere north of you then there will be a tidal wave from the north.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #266 on: 25/08/2018 08:51:48 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 18/08/2018 14:50:18
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 18/08/2018 14:32:01
How does the tidal wave move from the north pole to the south.
Who can constructively answer this question.

Anyone who knows what the words mean.
If there is an earthquake at sea somewhere north of you then there will be a tidal wave from the north.
Persuasive argument.
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Re: Rotating earth theory of two high tides a day
« Reply #267 on: 31/08/2018 18:50:03 »
Quote from: Thebox on 15/05/2018 08:47:02
Quote from: rmolnav on 15/05/2018 08:30:14
It SURPRISES me this thread carries on. Two different phenomena are being discussed, and frequently mixed up due to that … kind of playing both football (soccer) and rugby on same field … a disaster !
I already mentioned that fact on #13 (more than 60 more posts since then, only two and a half weeks !!!)
“… as I have repeated this very morning on that linked site, that my arguments have always been about root "main" and general ocean tides. What, mainly due to Earth/Moon dynamics (but also to Sun/Moon dynamics) would really happen without local effects, small or rather big. Resonance in water "oscillation" may produce big effects.
And those tides would happen even if Earth did not spin daily, main cause of "whirlpools", as far as I can understand. I have not delved into the existing lot of local cases, but I´ve seen they are very complex, especially on a very long work of NOAA I can´t find now”.
And subsequently, erroneous things are being said, since the proposition of the question.
Long ago when I was a boy, I already realized that, e.g., strongest high tides were always at same time, and when full or new Moon, in Atlantic coast of Spain where I was in summer holiday.
And nowadays, just seeing the Moon in Madrid sky at a certain moment, I can tell how high is the tide at mentioned coast, and also if the tide coefficient is high or low, without any complicated maths or any additional information.
How “on Earth” the OP can say:
"The gravity of the moon does not reach the Earth”? … (!!!)
Has he never had any experience similar to mine?
I suggest anybody interested to have a look at :
where it´s clearly seen that daily movement of the bulges is only apparent, that they are almost still and it is the solid part of our planet (though also the bulk of ocean waters due to friction) what is actually spinning …
The formation of the bulges is a rather slow process (some 28 days the complete cycle, as far as Moon related tides are concerned, and one full year in the case of Sun related tides) … Nothing to do with all those daily local whirlpools, due to the much faster Earth spin, and with any other local singularity.
NO single local daily phenomenon should be used to try to refute the FACT that Moon and Sun gravitational pulls, together with inertial effects (unveiled by Newton long ago), are the root causes of “globalized” tides. Physical details on how those tides happen can be discussed, because even there is no general agreement on things such as centrifugal forces, and other issues inherent in the complexity of nature ... But mentioned FACT can be seen by everybody, and matches with BASIC physics laws !!! 
Thank you for sharing that video, I do not want to ruin this thread with my science so I will step back out.  But I will leave you with this:

The Natural ''flow'' of the ocean is East to West   ←   The Moon pulls the natural ''flow'' the opposite way →

When the Moon ''let's go'' , the ocean returns to it's normal ''flow''.

Ok im out , sorry for intruding. Apologies for posting in other peoples thread.
Thebox, confirm your post.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #268 on: 31/08/2018 19:02:45 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 31/08/2018 18:50:03
Thebox, confirm your post.
What do you mean ?

Oh oh,  my own post makes absolutely no sense to me......I can't confirm that because I do not  know what I wrote.....


ok....

added:cannon balls with no moon
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #269 on: 31/08/2018 20:02:09 »

* with no moon.jpg (138.85 kB . 2952x1364 - viewed 1115 times)

So the moon maybe flattens the bulges and that is what does the tides, anything else why I am here  ?

I did already say contraction and expansion, i.e the bulge . :P

Here u go like this maybe...
* press.jpg (101.28 kB . 2952x1364 - viewed 1111 times)

Just warming  up , what do you want to know?


Added- yes thats right, the moon pushes not pulls, and displaces the bulges to make tidal expansion or contraction...

 :P  :) :)

Like a cam works....
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #270 on: 31/08/2018 20:16:54 »
And maybe not.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #271 on: 31/08/2018 20:26:29 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 31/08/2018 20:16:54
And maybe not.

It makes sense, two inertia gravitational bulges caused by Newtons cannon ball affect, then the moons compression of the bulges creating tidal contraction or expansion . If you press on the bulge the tide comes in surely...if you remove the pressure then it contracts back to  form .
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #272 on: 31/08/2018 20:30:57 »
We are going too far from the topic.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #273 on: 31/08/2018 20:35:47 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 31/08/2018 20:30:57
We are going too far from the topic.
Are we ? It should be something like this I think ....no moon in this pic...you said whirl pools..


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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #274 on: 01/09/2018 03:29:54 »
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Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 18/08/2018 14:14:16
In the Laptev Sea, the tide is well expressed, has the character of an irregular semidiurnal wave. A tidal wave enters, from the north and spreads to the shores, fading and deforming as they move towards them. The magnitude of the tide is usually small, mostly about 0.5 m. Only in the Khatanga Bay the sweep of tidal vibrations exceeds 2.0 m in syzygy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laptev_Sea
How can a tidal wave move from the north pole to the south.
Who can constructively answer this question.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #275 on: 01/09/2018 04:55:05 »
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Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 18/08/2018 14:32:01
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 18/08/2018 14:14:16
In the Laptev Sea, the tide is well expressed, has the character of an irregular semidiurnal wave. A tidal wave enters, from the north and spreads to the shores, fading and deforming as they move towards them. The magnitude of the tide is usually small, mostly about 0.5 m. Only in the Khatanga Bay the sweep of tidal vibrations exceeds 2.0 m in syzygy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laptev_Sea
How can a tidal wave move from the north pole to the south.
Who can answer this question.

Bored Chemist already answered that question in reply #266. I know that you read it because I saw you respond to it. If you are just going to ignore the answers that are given to you, why are you even going to bother asking questions?
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #276 on: 01/09/2018 09:07:07 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 01/09/2018 04:55:05
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 01/09/2018 03:29:54
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 18/08/2018 14:32:01
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 18/08/2018 14:14:16
In the Laptev Sea, the tide is well expressed, has the character of an irregular semidiurnal wave. A tidal wave enters, from the north and spreads to the shores, fading and deforming as they move towards them. The magnitude of the tide is usually small, mostly about 0.5 m. Only in the Khatanga Bay the sweep of tidal vibrations exceeds 2.0 m in syzygy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laptev_Sea
How can a tidal wave move from the north pole to the south.
Who can constructively answer this question.

Bored Chemist already answered that question in reply #266. I know that you read it because I saw you respond to it. If you are just going to ignore the answers that are given to you, why are you even going to bother asking questions?
A boring chemist himself does not consider this an answer.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #277 on: 01/09/2018 09:13:37 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 01/09/2018 03:29:54
How can a tidal wave move from the north pole to the south.
Who can answer this question.
I can.
But as you consistently fail to read (or understand) what I post and just keep repeating your posts, i am no longer going to continue responding.
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools?
« Reply #278 on: 01/09/2018 09:53:38 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 25/08/2018 08:51:48
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How does the tidal wave move from the north pole to the south.
Who can constructively answer this question.

Anyone who knows what the words mean.
If there is an earthquake at sea somewhere north of you then there will be a tidal wave from the north.
Persuasive argument.
Please specify the answer.
1. How many times a day are earthquakes?
2. What is the applied earthquake hour.
3. Are there earthquakes, on the other side of the Earth, to form a second tidal hump?
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Re: Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools
« Reply #279 on: 01/09/2018 10:50:49 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 02/08/2018 06:06:15
Quote from: Bored chemist on 29/07/2018 14:37:01
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 29/07/2018 14:25:08
What's wrong here, give more objective criticism.
I told you what's wrong.
You ignored it.
I answered all the questions (95 answers), but not all questions were correctly put, I could not answer them.
I have no problems answering your questions. I easily answer all your questions if they are correctly asked and translated.
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