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Why do tides disappear in some places?
« on: 09/08/2018 05:58:37 »
How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear..
Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).

The ebb and flow is the result of the rotation of the Earth and the gyres.

Tides are not formed along the entire coast of the seas and oceans, but only on those coasts with a high speed of currents.
And the higher the speed of currents along the coast, the higher the amplitude of the tidal wave.
On those coasts where the speed of currents is 0 km / h, the amplitude of the tides is also 0 meters.

The waters of the lakes, seas and oceans of the northern hemisphere rotate counterclockwise, and the waters of the southern hemisphere rotate clockwise, forming cyclonic gyres.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_gyre
As is known, everything that rotates, including the cycles, has the property of a gyroscope, to maintain the vertical position of the axis in space, regardless of the rotation of the Earth.

If you look at the Earth from the side of the Sun, the gyres, rotating with the Earth, turn over twice a day, thanks to which the gyres precess (sway by 1-2 degrees) and reflect a tidal wave from themselves along the entire perimeter of the gyre.
https://goo.gl/images/M4SJq8 http://goo.gl/AM5g1s

The waters of the White Sea rotate counterclockwise, forming a huge gyroscope whirlwind, which precessing reflects the tidal wave along the entire perimeter of the White Sea. A similar pattern of tides is observed in all lakes, seas and oceans.
White Sea. http://rivermaps.ru/doc/beloe/beloe-3.htm
http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/22.png

The waters of the Mediterranean Sea rotate counterclockwise, forming tides 10–15 cm high. In the Gulf of Gabes, off the coast of Tunisia, the height of the tides reaches three meters, and sometimes more, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature. But at the same time, in the Gulf of Gabes, the cycle rotates, precessing reflecting an additional tidal wave.
The tidal wave in the Amazon River creates a huge planetary circulation with a diameter of several thousand km., Rotating between South America and North Africa, covering the mouth of the Amazon River.
The pattern of movement of the tidal wave along the perimeter of the North Atlantic planetary circulation (according to satellite data). http://goo.gl/R1hx0H

The length of the tidal wave depends on the diameter of the rotation.
The height of the tidal wave depends on the rotation speed of the rotation, the orbital velocity of the Earth and the time of the rotation of the rotation (12 hours).
A = V1 • V2 / t
Where, A is the amplitude of the tidal wave (precession angle).
V1 is the rotation speed of the rotation.
V2 is the orbital velocity of the Earth.
t is the time of the rollover of the cycle (12 hours).
Table of tidal amplitude versus current velocity, on all coasts.
1 km / h - 1 meter.
5 km / h - 5 meter.
10 km / h - 10 meter.
15 km / h - 15 meter.
The amplitude of the tides also depends on the size of the gyre, the amount of water under the gyre, the distance from the coast to the gyre, and the direction of the current (north, south, west, east).

Currents that move along the equator, reflect from themselves a tidal wave to the north and south, twice a day.
And the currents that move along the meridian reflect from themselves a tidal wave to the west and east, 1-2 times a day.
This can be easily verified by rotating the globe around its axis and in orbit, entwined along the equator and the meridian with a polyethylene hose in which the fluid moves.

The tidal cycle theory can be easily verified by linking the height of the tidal wave with the rotation speed of the gyre.
From the height of tides, you can determine the speed of the current along the coast, based on the atlas of sea currents.
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How to understand the fact that the amplitude of the tides in the Bay of Fundy yesterday was 6 meters, and today is 18 meters.
What changes have occurred per day, for such a sharp jump.
We have two possible answers.
1. For a day, the force of gravity increased three times.
2. During the day, the rotation speed of the rotation has increased three times.

A record high tide in the Bay of Fundy - 21.6 meters - occurred only once in the entire history of observations, on the night of 4 to 5 October in 1869.
On the night of 4 to 5 October in 1869, under the influence of the Saxby Gale cyclone, a record rainfall fell over the basins of rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy (300 mm in one day), due to which waters from the Bay of Fundy poured into the Bay of Man and increased speed rotation cycle in the Gulf of Maine, three times.

During the flood of the rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy, the current speed in the north of the Gulf of Maine rises to 20 km / hour, as a result of which the height of the tides reaches 18 meters.
During a drought over the basins of rivers flowing into the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides does not exceed three meters.
And the most important question is why in the season of abnormally high tides in the Bay of Fundy, in other bays of the Northern Hemisphere, the amplitude of the tides does not increase?
A similar pattern of abnormally high tides (floods) is observed in all the bays into which rivers flow.

The real-time animation shows how the waters flowing into the Gulf of Maine from the Gulf of Fundy form a cycle that, precessing, reflects the tidal wave in the direction of the Gulf of Fundy.
https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR3fDQD_uF0xgVpETpxVzbrv2xxgzOR0UfAKIEFDHAKoC2jzE-Mpu1lIWMs#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=-65.27,44.29,3000/loc=-66.405,44.310
https://images.app.goo.gl/hAE4F7kyMQ1mhcAF9
Mezen Bay White Sea tide height reaches 10 m.
https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR245zpmdxn7SmOQdJ7qF9HhRn-54AYSZIChWmA6-0A2rXyJ9y2UivmtlZA#current/ocean/surface/currents/equirectangular=42.30,67.95,3000/loc=44.019,65.946
Tides - table. http://www.prilivy.com

The discovery was published in the Russian-German scientific peer-reviewed journal “Eastern European Scientific Journal” No. 3/2015. Page 64. June
http://www.auris-archiv.de/journal.html
Scientific journal "NBICS-Science. Technologies" No. 4/2018. Page 104.
(Nanotechnology Society of Russia).
http://www.nanonewsnet.ru/news/2018/vyshel-chetvertyi-nomer-zhurnala-nbiks-naukatekhnologii
Continued, The mechanism of the vertical circulation of the waters of the oceans.
Forum Federal Target Program "World Ocean". http://okeany.com/forum/784.htm
Forum, Science, discoveries, experiments.
http://www.russian.fi/forum/showthread.php?p=4048781&posted=1#post4048781
French Maritime Forum (Discussion).
http://forummarine.forumactif.com/t9357-le-flux-et-reflux-est-le-resultat-de-la-rotation-de-la-terre
English forum. "Weather / Earth Sciences".
https://www.wxforum.net/index.php?topic=35094.0

Why in the equatorial zone the tidal wave height is three times lower than in temperate zones?

According to the lunar theory of tides, the earth's crust rises and falls twice a day at a latitude of Moscow with an amplitude of about 20 cm, and the amplitude at the equator exceeds 50 cm (2.5 times more).
Then why in the equatorial zone the amplitude of the tides ranges from 0 - 6 meters and in temperate zones from 0 - 18 meters?
The highest tides on Earth are formed in the Bay of Fundy in North America - 18 m, at the mouth of the River Severn in England - 16 m, in the Bay of Mont Saint-Michel in France - 15 m, in the lips of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Penzhinskaya and Gizhiginskaya - 13 m , at Cape Nerpinsky in the Mezen Bay - 11 m.
If it is logical to argue, at the equator the height of the tide should be 35 - 40 meters. Also, if the Bay of Fundy were located at the equator, the height of the tide would be about 45 meters. The whirlwind theory of tides explains this discrepancy by the absence of gyres, cyclones and anticyclones at the equator. For the formation of gyres, cyclones and anticyclones, the deflecting force of Coriolis is necessary. At the equator, the effect of the Coriolis force is minimal and in the temperate zones, maximum. https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a0730201f0f095995e9cc6c7c9875519
Information on tides in some ports of the world
https://www.krugosvet.ru/enc/Earth_sciences/geografiya/PRILIVI_I_OTLIVI.html

The tidal cycle theory can be easily verified by linking the height of the tidal wave with the rotational speed of the gyres.
List of seas with an average rotational speed of gyres over 0.5 km / h, and an average tidal wave height of more than 5 cm.
Irish Sea, North Sea, Barents Sea, Baffin Sea, White Sea, Bering Sea, Sea of ​​Okhotsk, Arabian Sea, Sargasovo Sea, Hudson Bay, Bay of Man, Alaska Bay, etc.
List of seas with an average rotation speed of less than 0.5 km / h and an average tidal wave height of less than 5 cm: the Baltic Sea, Greenland Sea, Black Sea, Sea of ​​Azov, Chukchi Sea, Kara Sea, Laptev Sea, Red Sea, Marmara Sea , Caribbean Sea, Sea of ​​Japan, Gulf of Mexico, etc.
Note: the height of the tidal wave (soliton) and the amplitude of the ebb and flow are not the same. https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_seas
Sea of ​​the USSR http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #1 on: 09/08/2018 14:10:29 »
I put you image link into tags (the bb code button of Mona Lisa in the reply section). for you. Can you please explain what the image shows?
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #2 on: 09/08/2018 16:06:32 »
Thank you, Chris!
If you mean the picture of the White Sea, it can be seen.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #3 on: 09/08/2018 16:55:42 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 09/08/2018 16:06:32
Thank you, Chris!
If you mean the picture of the White Sea, it can be seen.

I beg to differ! If it was totally obvious to me then I wouldn't have asked you for clarification!
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #4 on: 09/08/2018 18:02:46 »
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Thank you, Chris!
If you mean the picture of the White Sea, it can be seen.

I beg to differ! If it was totally obvious to me then I wouldn't have asked you for clarification!
Once a year, in the delta of the Northern Dvina, during the spring high tides, the tides disappear mysteriously for several days, sometimes even for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature. But at the same time, the sleeves of the delta of the Northern Dvina are flooded with broken ice and forest, 10-15 km long and 15 m high. For this reason, the flow of water in the river disappears, and with it the whirlpool at the river mouth, precessing the reflecting tidal wave.
During the flood, the water flow in the rivers increases fivefold. White Sea Lion. (map) http://goo.gl/kqFvF7
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #5 on: 09/08/2018 18:57:11 »
So, what you have is evidence that a river  in flood can push water around in spite of the tide.
So what?
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #6 on: 10/08/2018 10:12:23 »
200 meters from the mouth of the Amazon River, two whirlpools of 400 km rotate. in diameter each, which, precessing reflect a tidal wave in the direction of the Amazon River
http://cropcircleseason.blogspot.com/2011/04/giant-whirlpools-appear-in-atlantic.html?m=1
http://www.planet-nwes.ru/v-atlantike-obnaruzheno-dva-400-kilometrovyh-vodovorota/
The waters of the Amazon River form these two whirlpools.
The amplitude of the tides in the Amazon River depends on the speed of rotation of these whirlpools.
Tides is the result of the rotation of the Earth and whirlpools 
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #7 on: 10/08/2018 18:13:18 »
As has been pointed out before, the moon's gravity (or the Sun's) is not the only force involved in tides. Local river currents and the wind/ air pressure also have an effect.

But until the tides stop corresponding to the position of the moon, nobody is going to believe any suggestion that the tides are not driven mainly by the moon.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #8 on: 15/08/2018 15:36:07 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 09/08/2018 05:58:37
How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear..
Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).
Answer:
The water vortex disappears.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #9 on: 15/08/2018 18:17:06 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 15/08/2018 15:36:07
Answer:
The water vortex disappears.
Wrong answer
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #10 on: 18/08/2018 21:10:33 »
Quote from: Colin2B on 15/08/2018 18:17:06
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 15/08/2018 15:36:07
Answer:
The water vortex disappears.
Wrong answer
And what disappears, ocean or gravity?
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #11 on: 18/08/2018 22:02:30 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 18/08/2018 21:10:33
Quote from: Colin2B on 15/08/2018 18:17:06
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 15/08/2018 15:36:07
Answer:
The water vortex disappears.
Wrong answer
And what disappears, ocean or gravity?
Neither- obviously.
This is another of those occasions where you just say something silly.
Why do you do that?
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #12 on: 21/08/2018 21:38:38 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 10/08/2018 18:13:18
But until the tides stop corresponding to the position of the moon, nobody is going to believe any suggestion that the tides are not driven mainly by the moon.
October 3, 1869, the amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 5 meters.
October 4, 1869 amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 21 meters (Once in the history of observation).
For one day in the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides increased from 5 to 21 meters, 4-fold.
Question. What has changed in the Bay of Fundy in one day.
1. Gravitation.
2. The coastline
3. Inclination of the moon.
4. Rotational speed of the whirlpool.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1869_Saxby_Gale
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« Reply #13 on: 21/08/2018 21:48:44 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 21/08/2018 21:38:38
Quote from: Bored chemist on 10/08/2018 18:13:18
But until the tides stop corresponding to the position of the moon, nobody is going to believe any suggestion that the tides are not driven mainly by the moon.
October 3, 1869, the amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 5 meters.
October 4, 1869 amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 21 meters, once in the history of observation.
For one day in the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides increased from 5 to 21 meters, 4 times.
Question: What happened in the Bay of Fundy in one day (gravity, coastline or the inclination of the lunar orbit have changed).
Have you heard of weather?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #14 on: 22/08/2018 16:06:42 »
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Quote from: Bored chemist on 10/08/2018 18:13:18
But until the tides stop corresponding to the position of the moon, nobody is going to believe any suggestion that the tides are not driven mainly by the moon.
October 3, 1869, the amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 5 meters.
October 4, 1869 amplitude of the tide in the Bay of Fundy was 21 meters (Once in the history of observation).
For one day in the Bay of Fundy, the amplitude of the tides increased from 5 to 21 meters, 4-fold.
Question. What has changed in the Bay of Fundy in one day.
1. Gravitation.
2. The coastline
3. Inclination of the moon.
4. Rotational speed of the whirlpool.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1869_Saxby_Gale
Have you heard of weather?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953
In the North Sea in 1953, during the spring tide season, the northwestern storm wind caused a flood in the south of the northern sea. The sea level rose 5.6 meters above average sea level.
The amplitude of the tides does not increase the wind, the wind raises the sea level.
The waters of the northern sea rotate counter-clockwise, and the northeasterly wind can increase the amplitude of the tides by rotating the whirlpool.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_surge
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« Reply #15 on: 22/08/2018 19:18:29 »
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The amplitude of the tides does not increase the wind, the wind raises the sea level.
And sometimes the changes in air pressure that drive the wind also drive changes in water level which may increase or decrease the apparent tidal range.

Do you remember me asking you what drives the monsoon?
Perhaps you should have paid attention  then.
Never mind, now you have been told a second time, perhaps you will understand it.


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« Reply #16 on: 23/08/2018 15:20:42 »
Air pressure actually leads to a slight change in sea level, but this does not affect the amplitude of the tides.
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Air pressure actually leads to a slight change in sea level, but this does not affect the amplitude of the tides.

No
Barometric pressure affects the sea level to the extent of about 1 cm for each hPa change in air pressure.
Air pressure in the UK has varied between about 950 to 1050 hPa so the range is about a metre.

What's more interesting is when a bulge in the sea caused by air pressure  is driven into a bay of some sort- that's when you get serious changes in water level.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #18 on: 23/08/2018 20:52:14 »
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Air pressure in the UK has varied between about 950 to 1050 hPa so the range is about a metre.
What's more interesting is when a bulge in the sea caused by air pressure  is driven into a bay of some sort- that's when you get serious changes in water level.
I did not know this, but this is a weighty argument.
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« Reply #19 on: 23/08/2018 21:25:06 »
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I did not know this
There are many things you do not know.
Perhaps you should learn some before trying to tell everyone that they are wrong .
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