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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #100 on: 12/09/2018 19:04:09 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 10/09/2018 14:20:57
Admit that you can not answer these questions, relying on the lunar theory of tides.
I did answer them.
You quoted my answer.

Why are you trolling?
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #101 on: 13/09/2018 16:50:34 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 12/09/2018 05:31:06
Dynamic Theory of Tides
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/Ellie_Boyce/dynamic.htm
Instead of circumnavigating the world, the tide wave is broken up into numerous smaller cells, called amphidromic systems. Within each cell, the tide wave circles around an amphidromic point.
Who in this forum is well prepared to comment on the dynamic model of the tides.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #102 on: 20/09/2018 11:07:31 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 04/09/2018 06:45:04
1. Why the height of the tides in the White Sea is 100 times greater than in the Baltic Sea.
The height of the tides in the Baltic Sea is 10 cm, and in the White Sea 10 meters.

2. Why the height of the tides, on the west coast of the Nova Scotia Peninsula (the Bay of Fundy) is 20 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).

3. Why the height of the tides on the western coast of the peninsula of Kamchatka is 25 times greater than on the eastern coast of the peninsula, but it should be all the opposite (where the logic is).

4. How to explain the fact that in south-western Australia in the port of Fremantle, tides for half a year disappear.

5. Once a year in the delta of the Northern Dvina, the tides mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature (the White Sea).
Only practicing oceanographers can answer these questions.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #103 on: 20/09/2018 19:11:24 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 20/09/2018 11:07:31
Only practicing oceanographers can answer these questions.
That's plainly not true because I already answered them, and I'm not an oceanographer.
Why did you say it?
Do you not realise that saying things which are obviously nonsense makes you look bad?
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #104 on: 23/09/2018 09:36:58 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 20/09/2018 19:11:24
That's plainly not true because I already answered them, and I'm not an oceanographer.
If you are not an oceanographer, why do you take responsibility, comment on something that you do not know.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #105 on: 23/09/2018 10:28:00 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 23/09/2018 09:36:58
Quote from: Bored chemist on 20/09/2018 19:11:24
That's plainly not true because I already answered them, and I'm not an oceanographer.
If you are not an oceanographer, why do you take responsibility, comment on something that you do not know.
I don't need to be an oceanographer to point out that you are wrong.
Nor would being an oceanographer  show that you were right.
That mistake is so well documented that it has its own wiki page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

When it comes down to it, you are still clearly wrong.
I can answer those questions, and I'm not an oceanographer so your assertion
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 20/09/2018 11:07:31
Only practicing oceanographers can answer these questions.
is not correct.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #106 on: 29/09/2018 11:28:40 »
Along the equatorial zone, "tidal force" is everywhere the same, and there is no need to calculate it.
(It can be conditionally aligned 1).
The height of the tide in the equatorial zone depends only on the shape of the bay.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #107 on: 29/09/2018 11:43:22 »
That's a nice video of a Tidal Bore
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_bore
so what?
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #108 on: 29/09/2018 13:11:36 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 29/09/2018 11:28:40
Along the equatorial zone, "tidal force" is everywhere the same, and there is no need to calculate it.
(It can be conditionally aligned 1).
The height of the tide in the equatorial zone depends only on the shape of the bay.
On the territory of England, the "tidal force" is everywhere the same, and the height of the tides is everywhere different, why.
(The range of tides is 0 to 15 meters)?
« Last Edit: 30/09/2018 06:43:41 by Yusup Hizirov »
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #109 on: 29/09/2018 13:26:04 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 29/09/2018 13:11:36
In England, the "tidal power" is the same everywhere, and the height of the tides is different, why?
I already answered that here
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=74403.msg552820#msg552820

why don't you pay attention?
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #110 on: 29/09/2018 13:53:47 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 02/09/2018 14:23:27
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 02/09/2018 12:52:50
You consciously leave the answer.
Call the sea where there are high tides, but there is no fast flow.
I'm sorry, but that made little sense.

The places where the tidal range is larger are generally where the tide is funneled into a bay or estuary.
Because the tidal bulge (dragged by the moon's gravity) enters the funnel and travels along it, the same volume of water is forced into a narrow passage and so it has to get deeper.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?
You do not want to add anything else.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #111 on: 29/09/2018 14:10:43 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 29/09/2018 13:53:47
You do not want to add anything else.
Why would I?
I answered the question...

But why do you keep asking the same question?
Are you hoping reality will change?
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #112 on: 29/09/2018 14:37:22 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 29/09/2018 13:11:36
Why in England, "tidal force" is everywhere the same, and the height of the tides is different.
(The range of tides is 0 to 15 meters)?
Why do you leave the answer, this is the right question.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #113 on: 29/09/2018 16:39:13 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 29/09/2018 14:37:22
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 29/09/2018 13:11:36
Why in England, "tidal force" is everywhere the same, and the height of the tides is different.
(The range of tides is 0 to 15 meters)?
Why do you leave the answer, this is the right question.
Any bright school child would realise the answer is that "other things are involved".

Why don't you?
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #114 on: 30/09/2018 13:37:34 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 09/08/2018 05:58:37
Scientific journal "NBIX-Nauka. Technology" No. 4/2018. Page 104.
(Nanotechnological Society of Russia)
http://www.nanonewsnet.ru/news/2018/vyshel-chetvertyi-nomer-zhurnala-nbiks-naukatekhnologii
A positive review of 20 members of the editorial board of this authoritative journal is another convincing argument for the correctness of this theory.
I think the members of the editorial board knew what responsibility they bear for an objective evaluation of this theory.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #115 on: 30/09/2018 13:49:46 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 30/09/2018 13:37:34
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 09/08/2018 05:58:37
Scientific journal "NBIX-Nauka. Technology" No. 4/2018. Page 104.
(Nanotechnological Society of Russia)
http://www.nanonewsnet.ru/news/2018/vyshel-chetvertyi-nomer-zhurnala-nbiks-naukatekhnologii
A positive review of 20 members of the editorial board of this authoritative journal is another convincing argument for the correctness of this theory.
I think the members of the editorial board knew what responsibility they bear for an objective evaluation of this theory.
Seriously?
You didn't know the difference between a paper in NAture and an advert.
And you think that's an "authoritative journal".

Even if it was, all you have done is repeat the "appeal to authority" fallacy.

Why do you think a nanotech journal knows anything about tides.
And,, my Russian's not up to checking, but it looks rather like "vanity publishing" to me.

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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #116 on: 22/11/2018 18:48:41 »
This theory has very good testability.
If high tides form on that bank where you are standing, it means that the current is moving fast along this bank.
It is easy to check based on a map of the sea currents that are on the Internet.

Approximately the tide chart will look like this:
1 km / h - 1 meter.
2 km / h - 2 meter.
3 km / h - 3 meter.
And so on.
And no philosophy.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #117 on: 22/11/2018 18:59:00 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 22/11/2018 18:48:41
This theory has very good testability.
Then what are you waiting for?

When you have done that you need to do the important thing.

Show that the data is not consistent with the established  idea of how tides work.
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #118 on: 24/11/2018 11:26:30 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 22/11/2018 18:48:41
This theory has very good testability.
If high tides form on that bank where you are standing, it means that the current is moving fast along this bank.
It is easy to check based on a map of the sea currents that are on the Internet.

Approximately the tide chart will look like this:
1 km / h - 1 meter.
2 km / h - 2 meter.
3 km / h - 3 meter.
And so on.
And no philosophy.
The amplitude of the tides also depends on the size of the whirlpools, the amount of water under the whirlpool, the distance from the coast to the whirlpool, and the direction of flow (to the west, east, north, south).
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Re: Why do tides disappear in some places?
« Reply #119 on: 24/11/2018 11:34:15 »
Saying all that doesn't help.
What you need to do is show that you can predict the tides better than the established model.
In particular, you need to show that the established model gets things wrong.
Until you do that, you are wasting everybody's time.
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