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So quite possibly the terminal goal is to have a universe with no life. If that is the goal then according to your idea anything you can do to hasten the extinction of life on earth would be a moral action.
Quote from: Origin on 03/11/2023 12:02:52But since there is not a universal terminal goalDo you think that goal exists? Does the word goal has any meaning?How do you define it?
But since there is not a universal terminal goal
There is no goal.
Here is the truth table for universal terminal goal.1 in the left column means that there is something called a goal, while 0 means denial of it.The middle column classifies the goals in time domain. 1 means there are terminal goals, while 0 means all goals are temporary/instrumental.The right column classifies the goals in spatial domain. 1 means there are universal goals, while 0 means all goals are partial.x in the bottom row means that their values are meaningless, since the existence of goals have already been denied.
Since you already concluded that goal doesn't exist, it follows that any kind of goal doesn't exist either, including a universal goal and terminal goal.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 04/11/2023 07:39:59Since you already concluded that goal doesn't exist, it follows that any kind of goal doesn't exist either, including a universal goal and terminal goal.No. Seriously bad logic! I thought you were an engineer not a philosopher! Any particle in a bottle of water can be observed moving. Each movement is entirely determined by the history and immediate environment of the particle, so in principle you could define the goal (where it will be next) for every particle at any instant. But the bulk liquid is stationary - multiple individual goals do not necessarily add up to a universal goal unless you allow stasis to be a goal. The absence of a collective or longterm goal does not imply the absence of any short-term or individual goals.
No. Seriously bad logic! I thought you were an engineer not a philosopher!
The absence of a collective or longterm goal does not imply the absence of any short-term or individual goals.
When someone says that they don't have any long term goal but don't commit suicide, essentially their long term goals include staying alive as long as they can.
Quote from: Origin on 03/11/2023 12:02:52However it seems that every planet we have discovered appears to be sterile. Why do you exclude the earth?How many earth-like planets did you accounted for in your conclusion?Don't you know that some people are trying to build human colonies on the moon and Mars?
However it seems that every planet we have discovered appears to be sterile.
I intend to commit suicide, but probably not in the next six years. I want to die before life becomes intolerable, and from where I stand now, that isn't a long term objective even if it is beyond the working horizon of politics and economics.
Nobody is trying to build human colonies on the moon or mars. Some people are talking about it. Currently there is no safe way to even get to mars let alone build colonies there.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 04/11/2023 11:17:34When someone says that they don't have any long term goal but don't commit suicide, essentially their long term goals include staying alive as long as they can.You clearly have no idea what a goal is nor do you seem to employ logic in your discussions. Using your 'logic', I guess since I have never been south of the equator, my goal is to stay in the northern hemisphere?
Currently there is no safe way to even get to mars let alone build colonies there.
Why would you wait until your life becomes intolerable? What do you plan to do until then?
A goal is a pursuit condition
To date, 30 astronauts and cosmonauts have died in flight-related accidents, and 12 have walked on the moon. When not working with powerful magnetic and RF fields, ionising radiation, and sick animals, I enjoy offshore sailing, crosscountry skiing, and performing aerobatics in a glider, but getting to the moon doesn't fit my definition of "safe".
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 06/11/2023 13:34:00A goal is a pursuit conditionWell that wraps up the discussion nicely, bye.
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