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Does science think we are all stupid as they create more lies ?

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Re: Does science think we are all stupid as they create more lies
« Reply #160 on: 14/04/2019 20:44:58 »
This is what's happening with science ..


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Re: Does science think we are all stupid as they create more lies ?
« Reply #161 on: 14/04/2019 21:03:30 »
Quote from: Thebox on 14/04/2019 20:09:53
it did take me a decade to get to an understanding of being able to explain it .
Please provide some indication of whom you have explained it to, because I really don't think you are there yet.
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Re: Does science think we are all stupid as they create more lies ?
« Reply #162 on: 14/04/2019 21:04:22 »
Quote from: Thebox on 14/04/2019 20:44:58
This is what's happening with science ..


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What?
Badly drawn graphs?
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Re: Does science think we are all stupid as they create more lies ?
« Reply #163 on: 14/04/2019 21:06:14 »
Quote from: Thebox on 14/04/2019 20:12:49
Quote from: Bored chemist on 14/04/2019 20:09:31
Quote from: Thebox on 14/04/2019 20:07:51
If he was on the same plane he would still be counting faster than his friend .
Guess again.
What ?  You are confusing yourself ,  if you get on a plane with a friend and he is counting slower than you , you can observe that .  If your friend got on a plane counting slow without you , you can still observe that with mobile communication .  When your friend returns to you and has counted less than you , you have still been away from each other for the exact same amount of time . 
If you can't see that Mr C , I'd give up on science if I were you .
Oh, I see.
You have failed to understand the whole point  of the exercise.
The clocks they used in the real experiment all count at the same rate locally.
It's only when you move one of them that time slows down for it, so it gets out of step.
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Re: Does science think we are all stupid as they create more lies ?
« Reply #164 on: 14/04/2019 21:14:01 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 14/04/2019 21:06:14
It's only when you move one of them that time slows down for it, so it gets out of step.
Don't you mean , the frequency slows? 

Where are you getting the function of time from ?
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Re: Does science think we are all stupid as they create more lies ?
« Reply #165 on: 14/04/2019 21:15:51 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 14/04/2019 21:04:22
Quote from: Thebox on 14/04/2019 20:44:58
This is what's happening with science ..


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What?
Badly drawn graphs?
I could of been more precise and put years of things on such as Albert and CERN etc.  It's an example Mr C , they don't have to be precise .


The Hafele–Keating experiment was a test of the theory of relativity. In October 1971, Joseph C. Hafele, a physicist, and Richard E. Keating, an astronomer, took four cesium-beam atomic clocks aboard commercial airliners. They flew twice around the world, first eastward, then westward, and compared the clocks against others that remained at the United States Naval Observatory. When reunited, the three sets of clocks were found to disagree with one another, and their differences were consistent with the predictions of special and general relativity.

concept

an idea or invention to help sell or publicize a commodity.

Science added concept time to the caesium . You got sold broken clocks .
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Re: Does science think we are all stupid as they create more lies ?
« Reply #166 on: 14/04/2019 21:43:10 »
Quote from: Thebox on 14/04/2019 21:15:51
You got sold broken clocks .
In what way?
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« Reply #167 on: 14/04/2019 21:48:40 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 14/04/2019 21:43:10
Quote from: Thebox on 14/04/2019 21:15:51
You got sold broken clocks .
In what way?

Because they added concept time for the convincer . If I stood on a market stall and offered to sell you a clock that ticked slower now and again , would you buy it ?


However , if I added concept time to that clock and told you it agreed with Einstein , then would you buy it ?
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Re: Does science think we are all stupid as they create more lies ?
« Reply #168 on: 14/04/2019 21:54:23 »
Quote from: Thebox on 14/04/2019 21:48:40
If I stood on a market stall and offered to sell you a clock that ticked slower now and again , would you buy it ?
Well, if you sold me a clock that ran at exactly the same speed predicted  by GR even when it moved or was subject to changes in gravity then I'd be tempted.
Either the rest of the world is right, in which case it would be a good clock.
Or, more interestingly, you are right; all clocks should tick at the same rate, but the clock you offer "magically" knows that it's moving or in a gravity well or whatever.

That would be an interesting trick, wouldn't it?

So I might buy it to find out how it knew it was moving without reference to the outside world.
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« Reply #169 on: 14/04/2019 22:05:24 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 14/04/2019 21:54:23
That would be an interesting trick, wouldn't it?

Predicting a result that you already have the answer to is not magic :D

When the clock is built before the second was even defined to that clock ,  what time would do if defined to that clock , was pre-known . It's concept fabrication to sell broken clocks , the most expensive broken clocks in the world . If I know the frequency of my invented clock would change if I moved the clock , I'd have to add a concept to make the clock seem legit and working .  Knowing if I could get science to define the second of the frequency , I knowingly know time will be seen as changing and fit in .

If you remove the added concept time , they are just broken inaccurate clocks that fail on synchronization .

Probably a little harsh towards Louis Essen and Jack Parry because the caesium at rest does make a good clock , it was concept time added in America to invent the time dilation part .
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Re: Does science think we are all stupid as they create more lies ?
« Reply #170 on: 14/04/2019 22:59:54 »
Quote from: Thebox on 14/04/2019 18:08:41
There is no such thing as a time dilation

What is the practical difference between your ticking dilation and relativity's time dilation anyway? If both of them predict identical physical events, then you can't distinguish them.

What experiment evidence would convince you that time dilation is real?
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« Reply #171 on: 14/04/2019 23:13:16 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 14/04/2019 22:59:54
What experiment evidence would convince you that time dilation is real?
The clock that was ticking slower would have to vanish out of existence , it would be behind me in time and could never return to my time .  That won't happen and doesn't happen .

Practical use no change ,  semantic use , big change .  Time does not slow down or speed up , is the change needed.

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Re: Does science think we are all stupid as they create more lies ?
« Reply #172 on: 15/04/2019 01:12:24 »
Quote from: Thebox on 14/04/2019 23:13:16
The clock that was ticking slower would have to vanish out of existence , it would be behind me in time and could never return to my time .  That won't happen and doesn't happen .

A time-dilated clock would still progress forward through time, though. It may take longer to reach, say 5:30 PM than a non-dilated clock, but it would eventually get there and should therefore be observable to anyone else who happened to be at that same location when 5:30 PM came around. So even if time is real and time dilation exists, there's no logical reason that a dilated clock would seem to vanish from your sight.
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Re: Does science think we are all stupid as they create more lies ?
« Reply #173 on: 15/04/2019 04:49:55 »
Quote from: Thebox on 14/04/2019 23:13:16
The clock that was ticking slower would have to vanish out of existence , it would be behind me in time and could never return to my time .  That won't happen and doesn't happen .

If I speed  the one clock fast enough so that every 10 units I move forward in time its clock is loosing one   when I get to 1 second its still there I see it but its clock reads .9  Its still there. It does not vanish into a new dimension. if we carry on for 10 seconds I see when as far as its concerned only 9 seconds passed but its still there. We are both there.  If we were both born at second 0 and it could magically stop at my second ten we would still be there it would be 9 second old I would be 10. Ya I saw it there for 10 seconds but it aged 9 - it saw me for 9 second I aged 10.

Nothing vanished into another dimension.

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Re: Does science think we are all stupid as they create more lies ?
« Reply #174 on: 15/04/2019 07:27:36 »
Quote from: Thebox on 14/04/2019 22:05:24
Predicting a result that you already have the answer to is not magic 

When the clock is built before the second was even defined to that clock ,  what time would do if defined to that clock , was pre-known . It's concept fabrication to sell broken clocks , the most expensive broken clocks in the world . If I know the frequency of my invented clock would change if I moved the clock , I'd have to add a concept to make the clock seem legit and working .  Knowing if I could get science to define the second of the frequency , I knowingly know time will be seen as changing and fit in .

If you remove the added concept time , they are just broken inaccurate clocks that fail on synchronization .

Probably a little harsh towards Louis Essen and Jack Parry because the caesium at rest does make a good clock , it was concept time added in America to invent the time dilation part .
How come all clocks show the same change?
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« Reply #175 on: 15/04/2019 08:46:25 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 15/04/2019 07:27:36
How come all clocks show the same change?
I neither know or care , that's like asking why a piece of fiction is . 
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Re: Does science think we are all stupid as they create more lies ?
« Reply #176 on: 15/04/2019 18:32:30 »
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Quote from: Bored chemist on 15/04/2019 07:27:36
How come all clocks show the same change?
I neither know or care , that's like asking why a piece of fiction is . 
No.
It's like asking why a fact is.

Incidentally, why would science go to the trouble of making stuff up?
We would get paid anyway.
We get paid more for making things that work- like GPS.
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Re: Does science think we are all stupid as they create more lies ?
« Reply #177 on: 15/04/2019 20:29:23 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 15/04/2019 18:32:30
ncidentally, why would science go to the trouble of making stuff up?We would get paid anyway.We get paid more for making things that work- like GPS.


Yes GPS works , why would they make things up ?  To glam science .

Anyway you know now the semantics of time dilation suck big time , want to try for space ?

Do you want to insist space itself is expanding or have you got some smarts since ?
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Re: Does science think we are all stupid as they create more lies ?
« Reply #178 on: 15/04/2019 20:49:34 »
Quote from: Thebox on 15/04/2019 20:29:23
Do you want to insist space itself is expanding or have you got some smarts since ?
No.
I'd like you to answer my question.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 15/04/2019 07:27:36
How come all clocks show the same change?
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Re: Does science think we are all stupid as they create more lies ?
« Reply #179 on: 15/04/2019 21:24:04 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 15/04/2019 20:49:34
Quote from: Thebox on 15/04/2019 20:29:23
Do you want to insist space itself is expanding or have you got some smarts since ?
No.
I'd like you to answer my question.

Quote from: Bored chemist on 15/04/2019 07:27:36
How come all clocks show the same change?

Cabin pressure
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