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Re: What exactly is gravity?
« Reply #20 on: 15/07/2019 14:40:38 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 15/07/2019 13:46:04
Quote from: G on 15/07/2019 13:43:49
Electricity is a product , it is not something that exists fundamentally .

The strong nuclear force between protons and electrons  is the opposites of polarity .

An electron is not attracted to another electron and a proton is not attracted to another proton , the are relative massless and have no strong nuclear force in consideration of the relativity of likewise polarity .

The strong nuclear force only applies when two opposite polarity particles are involved .

However , when two opposite polarity particles  combine to form a stable particle , the convergence of the two individual , opposite polarity particles , forms a new combined force of the two individual forces ,a third force namely gravity .

Although the combining of an electron and a proton cancel out charge signs , that does not automatically mean that the attractive force is cancelled , it simply means the summation of attractive force is weakened .

I'm starting to suspect that you are Thebox...


No , I don't think the Universe is an enclosed system , what gave that impression ?
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Re: What exactly is gravity?
« Reply #21 on: 15/07/2019 15:56:06 »
Quote from: G on 15/07/2019 14:40:38
No , I don't think the Universe is an enclosed system , what gave that impression ?
Nothing gave the impression that you think the universe is a closed system (BTW, it is) .
But the stuff you post gives the impression you are either  TheBox or a similar troll
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Re: What exactly is gravity?
« Reply #22 on: 15/07/2019 16:18:46 »
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Quote from: Bored chemist on 15/07/2019 15:56:06
Quote from: G on 15/07/2019 14:40:38
No , I don't think the Universe is an enclosed system , what gave that impression ?
Nothing gave the impression that you think the universe is a closed system (BTW, it is) .
But the stuff you post gives the impression you are either  TheBox or a similar troll
Hmmm , who are you exactly ?
I could accuse you of likewise as you have a fake profile that is not your real name also.

I don't know you , if you have no science to discuss , I'm not interested .
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Re: What exactly is gravity?
« Reply #23 on: 15/07/2019 16:24:48 »
Quote from: G on 15/07/2019 16:18:46
if you have no science to discuss , I'm not interested .
You have made it clear that you are either unwilling or unable to discuss science.
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Re: What exactly is gravity?
« Reply #24 on: 15/07/2019 16:43:41 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 15/07/2019 16:24:48
Quote from: G on 15/07/2019 16:18:46
if you have no science to discuss , I'm not interested .
You have made it clear that you are either unwilling or unable to discuss science.
You've made two posts towards me in which neither have been science .
Do you understand anything about science ? Specifically the subject of gravity and gravitational force? 

I very much doubt you do !

Please go find somebody else to bother with your trolling . 

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Re: What exactly is gravity?
« Reply #25 on: 15/07/2019 17:39:06 »
You asked a question. "what gave that impression ?"

I answered it. "Nothing gave the impression ..."

That's science.
I also corrected your error about the universe being a closed system.
That's science too.
On the other hand, this
Quote from: G on 15/07/2019 13:43:49
Electricity is a product , it is not something that exists fundamentally .

The strong nuclear force between protons and electrons  is the opposites of polarity .
Is unscientific nonsense.
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Re: What exactly is gravity?
« Reply #26 on: 21/07/2019 07:25:59 »
Here most of the discussion is on:

E = mc2:

E = mc2 is a part of Special Relativity. However, despite the fact that the calculus is quite simple, Modern Physics does not propose a rational explanation of this strange phenomenon.The Spacetime Model demonstrates that the principle of converting mass to energy is very simple. This principle is shown by the following example.
•   Part A
An empty sphere is immerged in a container filled with water. The surface of water is quiet.
•   Part B
If the sphere disappears suddenly by a thought experiment, the depression will make eddies which have energy (E = hν). Converting a mass to energy follows the same principle. A closed volume disappears, and is transformed into an open volume. This produces "eddies" in spacetime, which are gamma rays.


Ok, let us discuss Gravity:

If it is 2d Space time:

1)  It is completely empty.
2) Particles move from one place to other with maximum speed.
3)  Particles never stay at any place.

Here if we explode an atom bomb:

Here space time is completely empty.  Energy coming out due to atomic explosion moves at.  There is no explosion, no eddies in the space time.

If it is 4d Space time:

1) Spacetime is not empty.
2)  Particles moving from one place to other meets the other particles, Gravity is the reason as per Newton.

So, 4d Space time is completely filled with particles. In my view, huge potential energy is stored on Earth.

Suppose if 1 ton atom bomb is exploded:

1)  In this fissile material is very small.
2)  Further energy stored within fissile material is very, very small.

When it is exploded small amount of energy stored within fissile material is freed.  We have to remember an important point that it is additional energy only.  It is true that energy is neither created nor destroyed it only can be modified one form to other.  This additional energy, freed from atoms tries to make room and pushes the existing energy.  This results in raising of radiation and creates eddies into space time.

*  Conversion of total mass to energy is wrong.
*  Thought experiment is incorrect.

Everything is happening before us. 

These are all effects of Gravity only.

But ‘What exactly is 'Gravity’ is a big puzzle.  It is true that all elementary particles curves the space time.  It is practically proved.  Isn’t this experiment done in Gravity field. 

As per Einstein, Space time is warping the things on the Earth.

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Re: What exactly is gravity?
« Reply #27 on: 21/07/2019 17:52:19 »
Quote from: pasala on 21/07/2019 07:25:59
However, despite the fact that the calculus is quite simple, Modern Physics does not propose a rational explanation of this strange phenomenon.

It is understood why E=mc2:

Quote from: pasala on 21/07/2019 07:25:59
If the sphere disappears suddenly by a thought experiment, the depression will make eddies which have energy (E = hν). Converting a mass to energy follows the same principle. A closed volume disappears, and is transformed into an open volume. This produces "eddies" in spacetime, which are gamma rays.

According to what experiment?

Quote from: pasala on 21/07/2019 07:25:59
1)  It is completely empty.
2) Particles move from one place to other with maximum speed.
3)  Particles never stay at any place.

If it's completely empty, then there aren't any particles in it that can move.

Quote from: pasala on 21/07/2019 07:25:59
*  Conversion of total mass to energy is wrong.
*  Thought experiment is incorrect.

Nobody said that atomic bombs convert total mass to energy. Mass isn't converted to energy anyway. Both the total mass and the total energy of a system remains constant. What atomic bombs do is convert potential energy into kinetic energy.

Quote from: pasala on 21/07/2019 07:25:59
These are all effects of Gravity only.

You keep saying that but you have yet to demonstrate it.

I'm also still waiting for you to tell me what experiment it was that supported your assertion here:

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“It is true that all elementary particles pushes their surroundings and produces convex curvature.  If we replace two or more closed volumes, pressure against them increases and the same was experimentally proved”.
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Re: What exactly is gravity?
« Reply #28 on: 28/07/2019 07:31:43 »
Mr. Kryptid

What is moving at the speed of light.  .  How potential energy is converted into so much of kinetic energy.  Why speed of light C2 is used and how it works. 

What exactly is gaining Kinetic energy.  Whether it is the atoms or the energy released therefrom. 

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Re: What exactly is gravity?
« Reply #29 on: 28/07/2019 09:36:01 »
Quote from: pasala on 21/07/2019 07:25:59
E = mc2 is a part of Special Relativity. However, despite the fact that the calculus is quite simple, Modern Physics does not propose a rational explanation of this strange phenomenon.The Spacetime Model demonstrates that the principle of converting mass to energy is very simple. This principle is shown by the following example.
•   Part A
An empty sphere is immerged in a container filled with water. The surface of water is quiet.
•   Part B
If the sphere disappears suddenly by a thought experiment, the depression will make eddies which have energy (E = hν). Converting a mass to energy follows the same principle. A closed volume disappears, and is transformed into an open volume. This produces "eddies" in spacetime, which are gamma rays.


Ok, let us discuss Gravity:

No.
You can't just post gibberish and then say "OK, let's move to something else".
You need to explain the evidence behind your ideas.
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Re: What exactly is gravity?
« Reply #30 on: 28/07/2019 17:59:37 »
Question: is the question mark key on your keyboard broken?

Quote from: pasala on 28/07/2019 07:31:43
What is moving at the speed of light.
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Why speed of light C2 is used and how it works.

Nothing is necessarily moving at the speed of light. It is that the derivation of the equation depends upon the fact that the mass of an object changes as it nears the speed of light: http://www.emc2-explained.info/Emc2/Derive.htm#.XT3Pm2hKjrc

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How potential energy is converted into so much of kinetic energy.

That depends upon the specific scenario. The conversion of potential energy into kinetic energy depends upon the action of one of the four fundamental forces. In the case of an unstable nucleus splitting into two smaller nuclei, the electrical repulsion between the nuclei is what converts the potential energy into kinetic energy.

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What exactly is gaining Kinetic energy.  Whether it is the atoms or the energy released therefrom.

The kinetic energy is gained by whatever the reaction products are. If it is a uranium nucleus undergoing fission, then the kinetic energy is gained by the resulting nuclei and neutrons produced.
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Re: What exactly is gravity?
« Reply #31 on: 28/07/2019 18:31:53 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 28/07/2019 09:36:01
Quote from: pasala on 21/07/2019 07:25:59
E = mc2 is a part of Special Relativity. However, despite the fact that the calculus is quite simple, Modern Physics does not propose a rational explanation of this strange phenomenon.The Spacetime Model demonstrates that the principle of converting mass to energy is very simple. This principle is shown by the following example.
•   Part A
An empty sphere is immerged in a container filled with water. The surface of water is quiet.
•   Part B
If the sphere disappears suddenly by a thought experiment, the depression will make eddies which have energy (E = hν). Converting a mass to energy follows the same principle. A closed volume disappears, and is transformed into an open volume. This produces "eddies" in spacetime, which are gamma rays.


Ok, let us discuss Gravity:

No.
You can't just post gibberish and then say "OK, let's move to something else".
You need to explain the evidence behind your ideas.

I don't think it is correct to use that word.  It is collected from research papers submitted to a famous university on Space time. 

E=MC2  formula states that the equivalent energy (E) can be calculated as the mass (m) multiplied by the speed of light (c = ~3×108 m/s) squared. Similarly, anything having energy exhibits a corresponding mass m given by its energy E divided by the speed of light squared c2
"Nuclear fission is the process of splitting apart nuclei (usually large nuclei). When large nuclei, such as uranium-235, fissions, energy is released.[2] So much energy is released that there is a measurable decrease in mass, from the mass-energy equivalence. This means that some of the mass is converted to energy. The amount of mass lost in the fission process is equal to about 3.20×10−11 J of energy".

Basic thing is how this potential energy is converted to kinetic energy.  What i am saying is that there is huge energy already present in the open area. Further i reiterated that it is the basic reason for Gravity.  At present it is opined that there is no such energy in the open area. 

Ok, it doesn't matter.  I cannot prove it.  It is just an attempt to give an idea to scientists that there is something which is responsible for all this.  Spacetime cannot interact the things on the Earth directly.  If we say that it is warping the things on Earth, means there is something "Medium" by which it is doing. 

Newton rightly accepted this:
In the words of Newton itself “Gravity must be caused by an agent acting constantly according to certain laws; but whether this agent be material or immaterial, I have left to the consideration of my readers”  Isaac Newton.

Gravitation is (locally) equivalent to acceleration. “This is the principle of equivalence”.

So relativity says, Gravity is equivalent to  acceleration.  When you are in inertial position, this medium is present and when you accelerates or speeds up, slowly it weakens. 

Hereby, my humble request to scientists is that, it may be or may not be correct, keep this in mind while carrying out research.  Test small quantities of TNT in different Gravity fields, notice variations, if there is change, it is a step forward. 

Well, see that most of the PE is converted to KE in the open area only. 

Yours
Psreddy
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Re: What exactly is gravity?
« Reply #32 on: 28/07/2019 18:42:14 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 28/07/2019 17:59:37
Question: is the question mark key on your keyboard broken?

Quote from: pasala on 28/07/2019 07:31:43
What is moving at the speed of light.
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Why speed of light C2 is used and how it works.

Nothing is necessarily moving at the speed of light. It is that the derivation of the equation depends upon the fact that the mass of an object changes as it nears the speed of light: http://www.emc2-explained.info/Emc2/Derive.htm#.XT3Pm2hKjrc

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How potential energy is converted into so much of kinetic energy.

That depends upon the specific scenario. The conversion of potential energy into kinetic energy depends upon the action of one of the four fundamental forces. In the case of an unstable nucleus splitting into two smaller nuclei, the electrical repulsion between the nuclei is what converts the potential energy into kinetic energy.

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What exactly is gaining Kinetic energy.  Whether it is the atoms or the energy released therefrom.

The kinetic energy is gained by whatever the reaction products are. If it is a uranium nucleus undergoing fission, then the kinetic energy is gained by the resulting nuclei and neutrons produced.
Thank you.  But nothing new.
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Re: What exactly is gravity?
« Reply #33 on: 28/07/2019 18:59:37 »
Quote from: pasala on 28/07/2019 18:31:53
I don't think it is correct to use that word.  It is collected from research papers submitted to a famous university on Space time. 
Cite the paper that says this
Quote from: pasala on 21/07/2019 07:25:59
A closed volume disappears, and is transformed into an open volume. This produces "eddies" in spacetime, which are gamma rays.

or accept that it is gibberish.
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Re: What exactly is gravity?
« Reply #34 on: 28/07/2019 19:06:00 »
Why Gravity is weak force?
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Some of the enthusiastic people telephoned me, why Gravity is weak force when compared to strong nuclear force. 

That is right question.  It is true that Gravity is the weakest when compared to other forces such as strong nuclear force and electromagnetic force. 

Let us see the process:
1)  Total nuclear fission takes place within short area and its area is limited.
2)  Electromagnetic charge arises only when you charge a particular cable.

Where as Gravity is different.  Well, according to Einstein's theory of general relativity, massive objects warp the spacetime around them, and the effect a warp has on objects is what we call gravity. So, locally, spacetime is curved around every object with mass.

This curvature is in wide area.  What my theory says "this curvature is nothing but potential energy".  Energy is having an important quality of moving from high to low.  This is the reason why it is equivalent to acceleration.

So, naturally pooling or concentration of energy at a particular place is impossible. 

Actually there is no difference in between these three forces.  They are inter-related and inter-connected to each other. 

If research is taken up, it is not so difficult and big break-through can be achieved very easily.   

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Re: What exactly is gravity?
« Reply #35 on: 28/07/2019 19:57:47 »
Quote from: pasala on 28/07/2019 19:06:00
Actually there is no difference in between these three forces. 
Yes there is.
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Re: What exactly is gravity?
« Reply #36 on: 29/07/2019 02:10:31 »
Quote from: pasala on 28/07/2019 19:06:00
2)  Electromagnetic charge arises only when you charge a particular cable.

No it doesn't. Net electric charge is a conserved quantity that cannot be created or destroyed. Electrons are always charged, no matter where they are or what they are doing.
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Re: What exactly is gravity?
« Reply #37 on: 12/08/2019 16:10:29 »
Quote from: pasala on 23/06/2019 17:49:31
This, in a nutshell, then, is the General Theory of Relativity, and its central premise is that the curvature of space-time is directly determined by the distribution of matter and energy contained within it. What complicates things, however, is that the distribution of matter and energy is in turn governed by the curvature of space, leading to a feedback loop and a lot of very complex mathematics. Thus, the presence of mass/energy determines the geometry of space, and the geometry of space determines the motion of mass/energy

Please remember that this is the base for General relativity.   Curvature of space time is directly determined by the distribution of matter and energy contained within it.  Suppose if it is empty no curvature at all. 

When an atom bomb is detonated, energy, afresh is released into open area.  This is additional energy only.  It pushes the existing energy leading to eddies in the space time. 

Please remember total energy is not coming from the atom bomb. 

Ok, it is very difficult or impossible to prove it, but it is appearing before us.  If an atom bomb is detonated in empty space, 2d, where no matter and energy exists, small amount of energy released makes no wonders, moves out.

Suppose if it is on Moon where gravity is weak and thus curvature of space time, and  distribution of matter and energy.  Here additional energy released into the space is same, however energy present in the open area is weak and thus eddies.

Friends, don't search text books, this is purely mine, "New" theory/idea only.

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« Reply #38 on: 12/08/2019 19:21:23 »
Quote from: pasala on 12/08/2019 16:10:29
Suppose if it is empty no curvature at all.

Then there wouldn't be any matter or energy present at all and therefore you can't have an atomic bomb there either. If the bomb was there, then the space wouldn't be empty.

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It pushes the existing energy leading to eddies in the space time. 

Evidence needed.
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« Reply #39 on: 15/08/2019 16:49:02 »
I think it is better to have clear idea on "what exactly is gravity" and how it is working on Earth and then to go for black holes which is not appearing  or existing before us.  When we are not in a position to stand or walk how can one expect to run.

There is curvature on Earth.  As per General relativity mass curves space time and curved space tells mass how to move.  It is practically proved that all elementary particles curves the space time around them.  We are all living in this curved paths and thus Gravity.

The key idea of Einstein's theory of general relativity is that gravity is not an ordinary force, but rather a property of space-time geometry.

It is also true that Gravity is not an attractive force between masses, but a pressure force exerted by space time on closed volumes that tends to bring them closer to each other.

There is curvature against mass and hence it is opined that mass curves the space.  But this practical experiment was done in a gravity field. 

Another important point is that distribution of mass/energy decides curvature.  Suppose if there is no mass or energy in the open area, there is no curvature at all.

So we can draw a conclusion that it is not the mass alone that decides curvature of space time. 

It is the distribution of mass and energy that decides curvature.

Suppose if there is no energy in the open area, particles can do nothing or curve.

So, finally it is the energy present in the space that decides curvature.

Ok, without pooling or concentration of potential energy at a place mass cannot curve the space time and thus Gravity.

Initially, before formation of our Solar system also energy started spreading in a wide area.   

In the bowling ball and rubber sheet analogy also, what exactly is working as rubber sheet.  It is nothing but energy only.

One’s energy came into existence, Earth like a bowling ball entered it.    Initially there is no Gravity at all.  Energy curved the Earth.  This is like our satellites which are being sent into space.  Here there is curvature of space time but there is no Gravity. 

Particles raising from Earth paved way for warping of space time.

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