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Quote from: CliveG on 18/02/2020 04:47:24It may be irrelevant to you because you have your mind firmly made up.No, it is irrelevant to everyone because it's an anecdote, not evidence.So the answer to my question was yes. You really don't understand what evidence is.No wonder you make so many mistakes.
It may be irrelevant to you because you have your mind firmly made up.
You choose to exclude the evidence of the mind and the conscious despite knowing that it is poorly understood.
nor any substitute for the good that religion does
Remember when most people rejected global warming and climate change?
you can use a bit of common-sense.
The thread is about proof but also about the hints and messages that God, if he exists, seems to be leaving for us. Today, while working in the garage I thought about the justification the Israelis give for the establishment of the State of Israel. It is simple "God gave it to them".
Quote from: CliveG on 16/02/2020 17:45:16The thread is about proof but also about the hints and messages that God, if he exists, seems to be leaving for us. Today, while working in the garage I thought about the justification the Israelis give for the establishment of the State of Israel. It is simple "God gave it to them".What makes you think that God is a male? What is the defining characteristics that makes him male instead of female of gender neutral? Can he change his own gender at will? Does he got female partners?
Quote from: CliveG on 18/02/2020 07:31:06you can use a bit of common-sense.From the man who is trying to tell me I should take his ghost stories as scientific evidence.
I think this thread has run it's course.
Quote from: CliveG on 19/02/2020 05:45:17I think this thread has run it's course. It ran its course the first time you decided that evidence didn't matter.
Denialism is an essentially irrational action that withholds the validation of a historical experience or event, when a person refuses to accept an empirically verifiable reality.
The motivations and causes of denialism include religion, self-interest (economic, political, or financial), and defence mechanisms meant to protect the psyche of the denialist against mentally disturbing facts and ideas.
Quote from: CliveG on 19/02/2020 10:53:53Denialism is an essentially irrational action that withholds the validation of a historical experience or event, when a person refuses to accept an empirically verifiable reality.Your dreams are not empirically verifiable reality.I have been pointing this out all along.You are in denial about it.Quote from: CliveG on 19/02/2020 10:53:53The motivations and causes of denialism include religion, self-interest (economic, political, or financial), and defence mechanisms meant to protect the psyche of the denialist against mentally disturbing facts and ideas.Perhaps God wanted you to post that so I could tell you to get a mirror, in order that you may see your own failing.You pretend to yourself that your dreams are empirically verifiable in order to protect yourself from the disturbing reality that you are just making stuff up.
See what I mean about being in denial.
Now what about the rest? The mental telepathy, the Tarot cards, the seeing a future events, communicating with a ghost, getting prayers answered? Your avoidance of these strong experiences
You cannot prove me wrong.
What I have said is things like you are looking at the placebo effect, but not recognising it or you are a victim of confirmation bias.
Pascal's Wager. The odds of belief are better than the odds of disbelief.
You cannot prove me wrong. Admit it. You cannot deny this simple truth.
Quote from: CliveG on 21/02/2020 05:40:37You cannot prove me wrong.Quote from: CliveG on 20/02/2020 05:53:22Now what about the rest? The mental telepathy, the Tarot cards, the seeing a future events, communicating with a ghost, getting prayers answered? Your avoidance of these strong experiences I did not avoid them.Quote from: Bored chemist on 04/02/2020 19:36:53What I have said is things like you are looking at the placebo effect, but not recognising it or you are a victim of confirmation bias.So it'snot a matter of "Did!Did not!Did too!Did not, did not!Did, did, did..."It's a matter of "I did.Here is the quote that proves it."So, let's not "move on" , let's just stop and wait for you to accept reality.I did address those things, didn'tI?Quote from: CliveG on 21/02/2020 05:40:37Pascal's Wager. The odds of belief are better than the odds of disbelief. The odds are that you pick the wrong religion and are held to account for worshipping a false idol (like Christ, or Mary).Pascal's wager only works if there is only one religion.Quote from: CliveG on 21/02/2020 05:40:37You cannot prove me wrong. Admit it. You cannot deny this simple truth.I just did.I predict that you will deny it.And then you will call me a denialist.
So let me see what we have here.I say you cannot prove me wrong that God exists. You have not said you can prove me wrong.
Your avoidance of these strong experiences (and also the experiences of prophets such as Jesus and Muhammad) is a feature of denialism.
Did!Did not!Did too!Did not, did not!Did, did, did...
The Jews do not believe in an afterlife
You simply say "Gee. God does not want scientific absolute proof of his existence, but is he is prepared to tell people how the spirit world works,
Quote from: CliveG on 22/02/2020 05:23:17The Jews do not believe in an afterlifeAll of us? Really? It's mentioned in the Talmud. Get your facts straight, if you want to be taken seriously..