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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #780 on: 31/03/2020 17:43:33 »
It is tough for the temporal to grasp the eternal. God never began. He was right here before the BB occurred. He will be here when humanity destroys itself. He is "at" the Exodus and the end of Revelation at this moment. He's been closer than our own thoughts while he's also trillions of light years away at the same time.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #781 on: 31/03/2020 17:53:09 »
Since God is interested in every aspect of our lives, I want to say to anyone who is interested, that this a great time to buy stock. The last best opportunity to buy was in 2008-09.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #782 on: 31/03/2020 17:53:19 »
Quote from: duffyd on 31/03/2020 17:33:26
IOW, often life itself will lead us to God.
That's not "IOW"
It's a total non sequitur.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #783 on: 31/03/2020 17:54:35 »
Quote from: duffyd on 31/03/2020 17:35:43
He never happened.
Quite.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #784 on: 31/03/2020 19:52:18 »
Quote from: duffyd on 31/03/2020 17:43:33
It is tough for the temporal to grasp the eternal.
And yet you claim to. Vanity or insanity?
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #785 on: 31/03/2020 20:01:37 »
Don't tell me, let me guess, God is guiding the evolution of these bacteria ...

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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #786 on: 31/03/2020 20:25:42 »
Quote from: duffyd on 31/03/2020 17:53:09
Since God is interested in every aspect of our lives, I want to say to anyone who is interested, that this a great time to buy stock. The last best opportunity to buy was in 2008-09.
That's a high risk strategy.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #787 on: 31/03/2020 20:42:59 »
Quote from: duffyd on 31/03/2020 17:43:33
It is tough for the temporal to grasp the eternal.
No.
It's a perfectly simple idea.
We explain it to kids in Sunday school.

Extrapolating doppler shift of spectroscopic measurements to establish when the universe came into being is a bit more  difficult.
Not usually primary school stuff.

Your emperor must be getting cold,
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #788 on: 31/03/2020 21:44:29 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 31/03/2020 19:52:18
Quote from: duffyd on 31/03/2020 17:43:33
It is tough for the temporal to grasp the eternal.
And yet you claim to. Vanity or insanity?
Tough, not impossible.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #789 on: 31/03/2020 21:47:07 »
Growing in grace is like learning to golf. Everything feels wrong for a long, long time. It is similar to a righty learning to do everything lefty.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #790 on: 31/03/2020 21:51:13 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 31/03/2020 20:42:59
Quote from: duffyd on 31/03/2020 17:43:33
It is tough for the temporal to grasp the eternal.
No.
It's a perfectly simple idea.
We explain it to kids in Sunday school.

Extrapolating doppler shift of spectroscopic measurements to establish when the universe came into being is a bit more  difficult.
Not usually primary school stuff.

Your emperor must be getting cold,
You agree. God is eternal. Matter is not. Your eternal God created matter which is temporal. It required a creator. No other scientific explanation works. The created require a creator. The creator is the only exception. God never began and he will never end, by definition. Good for you!
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #791 on: 31/03/2020 21:58:14 »
God needs no "evidence" to prove He is. We are born with the conviction that God exists. We know we have been lacking a relationship with him and we are restless until we are united.
Some are cut off, their conscience is seared from the divine. The coming together of knowledge of the divine has been destroyed. That is a terrible, horrifying place to be.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #792 on: 31/03/2020 22:13:34 »
Evidence of man's separation from God is everywhere. "Most men lead lives of quiet desperation" and some are more unquiet than others.
Signs of the cataclysm that nearly destroyed our world through the fall of man are impossible to ignore. The beauty and perfection of the garden have been replaced with disease, catastrophic weather, earthquakes, wars, pollution, death, and man's inhumanity to man, which represent a mere fraction of the repercussions from that moment.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #793 on: 31/03/2020 22:46:25 »
Aha! So all the ill that befalls the innocent today is the fault of the guilty who have gone before. Doesn't sound much like the creation of a just (Old Testament) or merciful (New Testament) god. So what sort of deity do you have in mind? And why does he punish the Japanese with a tsunami or the Chinese with COVID when they have never heard the Word? What dreadful corporate sin had the children of Aberfan committed?   

Is it the consequence of a reasonable Creation or the work of a reasonable Creator that the species least likely to survive your cataclysm are other mammals, not the species that is responsible for it?

And what sin precipitated the extinction of the dinosaurs, or the Ice Ages?

Is death really that new, and limited to humans?
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #794 on: 31/03/2020 23:00:54 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 31/03/2020 22:46:25
Aha! So all the ill that befalls the innocent today is the fault of the guilty who have gone before. Doesn't sound much like the creation of a just (Old Testament) or merciful (New Testament) god. So what sort of deity do you have in mind? And why does he punish the Japanese with a tsunami or the Chinese with COVID when they have never heard the Word? What dreadful corporate sin had the children of Aberfan committed?   

Is it the consequence of a reasonable Creation or the work of a reasonable Creator that the species least likely to survive your cataclysm are other mammals, not the species that is responsible for it?

And what sin precipitated the extinction of the dinosaurs, or the Ice Ages?

Is death really that new, and limited to humans?

"Just"? Why do you believe in a just God?
"Innocent"? You believe there are people who are completely innocent, born free of the curse of Adam, including inbred sin?
"Reasonable"? Your god must be reasonable? Where did you find that idea?
Why is your god unanswered questions? What evidence do you claim proves God is unanswered questions?
Evil doesn't take a day off, does it? Crime is rampant no matter what we devise to control it.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #795 on: 01/04/2020 03:23:09 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 25/06/2019 18:53:58
Quote from: davidwilliams on 25/06/2019 11:45:15
Why hasn't science been able to prove the existence of God?
One reasonable possibility is that He doesn't exist.
Also, because religion cheats.
https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/6-16.htm
https://biblehub.com/matthew/4-7.htm

It makes no sense at all to deny that God must have been involved in creating the universe. It didn't create itself.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #796 on: 01/04/2020 04:23:56 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 25/06/2019 18:53:58
Quote from: davidwilliams on 25/06/2019 11:45:15
Why hasn't science been able to prove the existence of God?
One reasonable possibility is that He doesn't exist.
Also, because religion cheats.
https://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/6-16.htm
https://biblehub.com/matthew/4-7.htm

Because some refuse to see what science says
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #797 on: 01/04/2020 05:48:02 »
Quote from: CliveG on 31/03/2020 08:41:51
Mistakes cost lives.
Don't you think that good people have to die before entering into heaven? Which makes it a good thing that they die?
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #798 on: 01/04/2020 07:17:40 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 01/04/2020 05:48:02
Quote from: CliveG on 31/03/2020 08:41:51
Mistakes cost lives.
Don't you think that good people have to die before entering into heaven? Which makes it a good thing that they die?

Heaven enters us when we ask Him to save us with all our hearts. The believer gets a dose of heaven on this side. There is nothing on earth I've experienced that compares. It is the most beautiful, most real, most intense, most exquisite, most indescribable, most personal, most healing, most tender, loving, refreshing thing I've ever known and it has lasted decades, not with the same degree of wonder every day, but it's still been beyond incredible.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #799 on: 01/04/2020 08:59:34 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 31/03/2020 13:06:58
Quote from: CliveG on 31/03/2020 09:24:34
The way in which the virus has spread is unusual.
No.
It's bog standard epidemiology.

So bog standard that the world was prepared for it? Has the response being bog standard? More like "standing in the bog".
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