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It makes no sense at all to deny that God must have been involved in creating the universe. It didn't create itself.
bog standard that the world was prepared for it?
"Innocent"? You believe there are people who are completely innocent, including inbred sin?
Quote from: duffyd on 31/03/2020 14:06:52The incredible complexity of the human body is more evidence of God...... the handiwork of an Intelligent Source ...Nope ... https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity#How_.22Irreducibly_complex.22_structures_form& nope ... https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-most-unfortunate-design-flaws-in-the-human-body-1518242787
The incredible complexity of the human body is more evidence of God...... the handiwork of an Intelligent Source ...
Quote from: duffyd on 31/03/2020 14:23:25It is not as though He makes it difficult to find him.I suggest you argue that point with CliveG who thinks God definitely hides whenever you actually do and experiment that looks for Him. When you agree amongst yourselves, come back and talk to us.Certainly the experiments on proof of prayer didn't find Him.
It is not as though He makes it difficult to find him.
I still maintain that the flagellum is irreducibly complex. There are steps missing.
Some scientists propose what sort of in between structures "could" have come about. But they are guessing.
God hides in plain sight for those who believe and do not require scientific proof.
Quote from: duffyd on 31/03/2020 14:06:52The incredible complexity of the human body is more evidence of God.No.It isn't.There is a perfectly plausible mechanism to get this complexity without needing to invoke a God.Even if there weren't you still haven't actually moved things forward because , however complex a human might be, a God is necessarily more complex.If you don't want to think that complicated things "just happen", then you can't say that an even more complicated God "just happened".Your argument contradicts itself.
The incredible complexity of the human body is more evidence of God.
QuoteWe don't snap our fingers and create anything from nothing. [ so why presume that any other entitity did so?
We don't snap our fingers and create anything from nothing.
Don't tell me, let me guess, ...God is guiding the evolution of these bacteria
So your god did design congenital syphilis. Why?
So your idea of your God is that it is a narcissistic sociopath. Much like Donald Trump then. Why not cut out the middle man and just worship the Donald. He is tangible. We have evidence that he exists. Everything he does is PERFECT!, WONDERFUL!There you go. Your problem is solved. Just don't expect him to care what happens to you.
Quote from: CliveG on 01/04/2020 09:29:43 God hides in plain sight for those who believe and do not require scientific proof.That's no bloody use to anyone, is it?
Oce it is shown that it could happen without "God" there is no need to invoke the existence of a God to explain how it happened.
I design things. Software, hardware, mechanical and electrical ...
... Intelligent design is one of the more powerful arguments for the existence of God...
Start at the very beginning please.
and for all people on a grand scale.
he intevernes in a positive way