[Jolly2]

To continue:-

There's no point with continuing until you have tidied up the mess you already made.
So, for the 4th time

Here's the relevant text.
Quote from: Jolly2 on Yesterday at 20:46:34
Sorry you'll have to justify your claim.  According to you it's impossible that a doctor could mis-diagnosed a death from Covid19?



Now, for the second or third time of asking... show us where you think I said that.

This is the last time I will engage with you.

There is no mess made by me. You claimed my idea impossible.

By changing it.

I asked the question if you bother to notice.

I asked you to justify your claim of impossibility.

Here

Sorry you'll have to justify your claim

so I asked you to justify your claim of impossibility.

And then asked if you were saying doctors cannot give a misdiagnosis for the cause of death.

I asked you if that was the basis of your statement of impossibility.

According to you it's impossible that a doctor could mis-diagnosed a death from Covid19?

THAT IS A QUESTION NOT A STATEMENT!

And another perfect example of you mis-representing me. It's so many times now I just can't be bothered to continue.

Because I didn't conceive it possible(hindsight what a wonderful thing) you would change my idea, the only solution I saw was you were claiming doctors can't give a mis diagnosis, but rather then state that and accepting that you might have another reason for saying it, I asked if that was your actual point.

So again you are changing terms. And effectively being dishonest in my opinion.

I have no interest in discussing with a person that is not capable of addressing the actual arguement and feels the need to change statements to gain a point.

It is a pointless pursuit.

[Bored chemist]

You claimed my idea impossible.

By changing it.

I can't change your idea.
That's silly.

Do you mean that I misrepresented your idea?
If I had done that, I would have done the same thing you did in saying "According to you it's impossible that a doctor could mis-diagnosed a death from Covid19?"

I asked you to justify your claim of impossibility.

And I am now asking, once again, for you to explain how you came to the mistaken view that I might have made that claim
(Spoiler alert; I didn't).

[Jolly2]

The comming "sewage gate"

[alancalverd]

Beware of journalese, even if you think Russia Today is a reliable news source. A sewage gate is a real metal device for controlling the flow of waste.

[Jolly2]

Beware of journalese, even if you think Russia Today is a reliable news source. A sewage gate is a real metal device for controlling the flow of waste.

Wake up, every news source has it's bias. They are all repeaters not reporters.

Media is and has always been a tool of power. Should be grateful every bias is getting it's day. The past was a very controlled time.

[Bored chemist]

And I am now asking, once again, for you to explain how you came to the mistaken view that I might have made that claim
(Spoiler alert; I didn't).

[Jolly2]

"French Nobel prize-winning scientist has accused biologists of having created SARS-CoV-2 - the virus that causes Covid-19... Luc Montagnier, who won the Nobel Prize in 2008 for his work on HIV...
He said: “We have arrived at the conclusion that this virus was created.” He accused “molecular biologists” of having inserted DNA sequences from HIV into a coronavirus, “probably” as part of their work to find a vaccine against AIDS."

https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Disputed-French-Nobel-winner-Luc-Montagnier-says-Covid-19-was-made-in-a-lab-laboratory

[Bored chemist]

And I am now asking, once again, for you to explain how you came to the mistaken view that I might have made that claim
(Spoiler alert; I didn't).

He said: “We have arrived at the conclusion that this virus was created.” He accused “molecular biologists” of having inserted DNA sequences from HIV into a coronavirus, “probably” as part of their work to find a vaccine against AIDS."

He's wrong.
HIV-1 did not contribute to the 2019-nCoV genome
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7033698/

[Jolly2]

And I am now asking, once again, for you to explain how you came to the mistaken view that I might have made that claim
(Spoiler alert; I didn't).

He said: “We have arrived at the conclusion that this virus was created.” He accused “molecular biologists” of having inserted DNA sequences from HIV into a coronavirus, “probably” as part of their work to find a vaccine against AIDS."

He's wrong.
HIV-1 did not contribute to the 2019-nCoV genome
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7033698/

Fascinating,

Could you explain why if there is no HIV connection to covid why then vaccine trails are being stopped because of HIV test results?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-10/uq-csl-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-to-be-abandoned/12973656

Seems odd that a vaccine for a virus that has no connection to HIV suddenly appears to cause a positive test result for people vaccinated.

[Bored chemist]

Could you explain why if there is no HIV connection to covid why then vaccine trails are being stopped because of HIV test results?

Presumably because there's a link between the vaccine and HIV.
Do you understand the difference?

The article you linked to, links, in turn to this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-11/how-the-uq-covid-19-vaccine-induces-false-positive-hiv-results/12975048
which explains it.

[alancalverd]

No big deal. COVID-19 has probably been endemic in bats for a thousand years or more. Bats travel, people travel, 80% of  carriers don't get very sick, almost everyone eventually generates antibodies, so there may well be odd pockets of virus around the world that never got beyond a few healthy survivors, but once it has infected a critical mass in one place, it can (indeed has) spread and multiply by human contact. 

[Jolly2]

No big deal. COVID-19 has probably been endemic in bats for a thousand years or more. Bats travel, people travel, 80% of  carriers don't get very sick, almost everyone eventually generates antibodies, so there may well be odd pockets of virus around the world that never got beyond a few healthy survivors, but once it has infected a critical mass in one place, it can (indeed has) spread and multiply by human contact.

Do you have an explanation of how the polybasic furin cleavage site PRRA, came to be in SARS-Cov2?

Apparently the RmYN02 sequence has no basic amino acids.

[Bored chemist]

Do you have an explanation of how the polybasic furin cleavage site PRRA, came to be in SARS-Cov2?

Evolution.

[set fair]

Apparently the RmYN02 sequence has no basic amino acids.

Chuffing Nora.

[Bored chemist]

Apparently the RmYN02 sequence has no basic amino acids.

So?

Just checking; what do you think "Basic" means in this context?

[Jolly2]

Could you explain why if there is no HIV connection to covid why then vaccine trails are being stopped because of HIV test results?

Presumably because there's a link between the vaccine and HIV.
Do you understand the difference?

The article you linked to, links, in turn to this
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-11/how-the-uq-covid-19-vaccine-induces-false-positive-hiv-results/12975048
which explains it.

About clamps:-

One of the most successful ones included a fragment of a protein that is found in HIV. And that's what was used in the UQ vaccine

Still ask why a clamp from HIV was the most successful for SARS cov2?

[Jolly2]

Apparently the RmYN02 sequence has no basic amino acids.

So?

Just checking; what do you think "Basic" means in this context?

Non acidic, arginine, lysine and histidine.

[Bored chemist]

Still ask why a clamp from HIV was the most successful for SARS cov2?

Probably the same reason that HIV "uses" it.
It's good at the job of stabilising proteins.

[Bored chemist]

Apparently the RmYN02 sequence has no basic amino acids.

So?

Just checking; what do you think "Basic" means in this context?

Non acidic, arginine, lysine and histidine.

Close: not acid, and not neutral.

Now, could you answer my other question please?

So?

[Jolly2]

Apparently the RmYN02 sequence has no basic amino acids.

Chuffing Nora.

What do you think, smoking gun, for a lab created virus?