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But a water body with 0°C average temperature has various local temperature. So does the ice. Moreover,0°C ice can receive heat energy without changing its temperature, by melting.0°C water can give away heat energy without changing its temperature, by freezing.
But a water body with 0°C average temperature has various local temperature.
The freezing always starts from the water surface in the container. Warmer water (up to 4°C) tends to go to the bottom, due to its density.
Are there other factors that can generate local temperature difference?
Yet again, you have discovered the meaning of "average".
The only thing that can change the temperature of a body is adding or removing energy.
Quote from: alancalverd on 27/05/2022 13:39:32Yet again, you have discovered the meaning of "average".That's the whole story here, neatly summarised by Alan.
What do you think that average means?
How can it be used to predict or explain my experimental results?
Quote from: alancalverd on 27/05/2022 13:39:32The only thing that can change the temperature of a body is adding or removing energy.Or changing from other forms of energy, such as chemical, mechanical, or electrical energy.
And the classic case of the electrical energy of a body being converted to heat is the spontaneous self-destruction of lithium batteries.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 28/05/2022 17:02:45What do you think that average means? 1.a number expressing the central or typical value in a set of data, in particular the mode, median, or (most commonly) the mean, which is calculated by dividing the sum of the values in the set by their number.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetic_meanQuote from: hamdani yusuf on 28/05/2022 17:02:45How can it be used to predict or explain my experimental results?As far as I can tell, your experiment did not involve a system that was at 0oC.
What is the average temperature of ice water mixture in atmospheric pressure after being left to reach equilibrium?
Which kind of average is the most relevant to temperature? Mol weighted average, mass weighted average, volume weighted average, time weighted average?
I think it involves chemical energy, in the form of chemical bonds.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 31/05/2022 16:08:00What is the average temperature of ice water mixture in atmospheric pressure after being left to reach equilibrium?How can you possibly be asking this question after 11 pages?!? Are seriously saying you don't know the temperature will be 0C??? I'm beginning to think there is something wrong with you....
As far as I can tell, your experiment did not involve a system that was at 0oC.
Since the ice and water are at exactly the same temperature, it doesn't matter.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 31/05/2022 18:46:39Since the ice and water are at exactly the same temperature, it doesn't matter.But that's only an idealized and unrealistic condition, which is hard to achieve in real life experiment.
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 31/05/2022 15:51:52I think it involves chemical energy, in the form of chemical bonds.No.Lithium batteries can develop an internal short circuit. Used to cause the occasional laptop computer to burst into flames so laptop use was were banned from passenger aircraft for a while, then a few early Dreamliners caught fire thanks to the aircraft's own hi-tech lightweight starter batteries!
Here's how they did it a few hundred years ago.https://www.nature.com/scitable/content/ice-calorimeter-developed-by-lavoisier-and-laplace-14898943/
Maybe you can understand if you've read the post as a whole, including which statement I was responding to. Otherwise, you'll keep wondering.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 04/06/2022 15:15:28Here's how they did it a few hundred years ago.https://www.nature.com/scitable/content/ice-calorimeter-developed-by-lavoisier-and-laplace-14898943/It doesn't show that the ice and water are at exactly the same temperature at every point.