[alancalverd]

They have all been rushed, 

OK, since infection is an exponential function, we can measure time linearly as log(COVID deaths). How many years would have been acceptable in your view? 

[evan_au]

This topic is going around in circles.

The circle ends here...

[Jolly2 (OP)]

The answer is "possibly, but no evidence to date".

Next question, please.

That doesn't answer the question. That reply relates to the question could the Covid vaccine damage fertility?
And it doesn't answer it, it leaves it as UNKNOWN.

The question was how can a question be fake news?

[Jolly2 (OP)]

The answer is "possibly, but no evidence to date".

Next question, please.

That doesn't answer the question. That reply relates to the question could the Covid vaccine damage fertility?
And it doesn't answer it, it leaves it as UNKNOWN.

The question was how can a question be fake news?

When it is just a ploy to push an agenda.

The agenda protect people from potential harm?

The only agenda I see from the scientists that approached the European Health Authorities was a concern for potential damage to human beings.

Those attacking the very suggestion on the other hand certainly appear to have an agenda, money is to be made.


Something I find rather troublesome is that the request is for more testing, for more studies, for more data and ultimately for more science.  The idea scientists want less science is rather weird and worrying

[Bored chemist]

The agenda protect people from potential harm?

We discussed that earlier.
Your agenda- to use an ineffective (but traditional) equally "untested" vaccine- would definitely harm people because the vaccine doesn't work well enough to stop the virus.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Scientist have approached the European health authorities with concerns related to proteins attacking placenta.

There are scientists that deny evolution too.

It is possible

It's also "possible" that everyone who catches COVID will drop dead exactly 1 year after infection.

Sure, let's hope that's not the case.

[Bored chemist]

It is possible,  that possibility need to be explored and tested

How do you do the test?

[Kryptid]

that possibility need to be explored and tested

It has been, albeit accidentally: https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210112/why-covid-vaccines-are-falsely-linked-to-infertility

To quote the relevant part of the article:

Even Wodarg, in his petition, writes “there is no indication whether antibodies against spike proteins of SARS viruses would also act like anti-Syncytin-1 antibodies.”

Indeed, data from the human studies of the Pfizer vaccine don’t bear out this theory. In the Pfizer trial, which included more than 37,000 people, women were given pregnancy tests before they were accepted to the study. They were excluded if they were already pregnant. During the trial, 23 women conceived, likely by accident. Twelve of these pregnancies happened in the vaccine group, and 11 in the placebo group. They continued to be followed as part of the study.

To add to that:

Paul Offit, MD, director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, says this idea really crumbles when you consider that more than 22 million people in the United States have been infected by SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. In fact, experts believe that number is much higher because 22 million is just the number who have been tested and found. Most think the real number is at least 3 times that high.

Offit says to consider that 70 million Americans have been infected, or about 20% of the population. If the infertility theory was true, he says, you’d expect that the body making antibodies against the natural infection would show up in our fertility statistics. It hasn’t.

“There's no evidence that this pandemic has changed fertility patterns,” Offit says.

So we have strong evidence against such infertility claims.

[alancalverd]

It is possible,  that possibility need to be explored

It is possible that the vaccine could turn a gullible halfwit into a polite, intelligent and amusing skeptic. Let's explore that too. 

[Jolly2 (OP)]

that possibility need to be explored and tested

It has been, albeit accidentally: https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210112/why-covid-vaccines-are-falsely-linked-to-infertility

To quote the relevant part of the article:

Even Wodarg, in his petition, writes “there is no indication whether antibodies against spike proteins of SARS viruses would also act like anti-Syncytin-1 antibodies.”

Indeed, data from the human studies of the Pfizer vaccine don’t bear out this theory. In the Pfizer trial, which included more than 37,000 people, women were given pregnancy tests before they were accepted to the study. They were excluded if they were already pregnant. During the trial, 23 women conceived, likely by accident. Twelve of these pregnancies happened in the vaccine group, and 11 in the placebo group. They continued to be followed as part of the study.

To add to that:

Paul Offit, MD, director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, says this idea really crumbles when you consider that more than 22 million people in the United States have been infected by SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. In fact, experts believe that number is much higher because 22 million is just the number who have been tested and found. Most think the real number is at least 3 times that high.

Offit says to consider that 70 million Americans have been infected, or about 20% of the population. If the infertility theory was true, he says, you’d expect that the body making antibodies against the natural infection would show up in our fertility statistics. It hasn’t.

“There's no evidence that this pandemic has changed fertility patterns,” Offit says.

So we have strong evidence against such infertility claims.

Wow only took one month and 2 days to actually get an answer. Cool. Thanks for actually replying.

Although.. During the trial, 23 women conceived

Did they carry to full term? The entire phase 1 was 3 months. 8 months for 2 and 3 pregnancy lasts 9 they conceived during the trials,  so would have carried on being pregnant after the trail. Did they keep the children or lose them?

Nearly a full answer.

The secound section relates to covid infection as far as I am aware its only the testicles that have ace2 receptors or do Ovaries also.

And the issues related to the SARS cov1 and animal experiments?

[Jolly2 (OP)]

It is possible,  that possibility need to be explored

It is possible that the vaccine could turn a gullible halfwit into a polite, intelligent and amusing skeptic. Let's explore that too.

So these synthetic spikes the vaccine makes they attach to cells then the body sees them as foreign. So the immune system destroys the entire cell?

How many packets carrying the RNA code? And how many spike proteins does each packet create?

[alancalverd]

Wow only took one month and 2 days to actually get an answer. Cool.

Of course! If you announce the results too quickly, some idiot will complain that the work has been rushed through and is incomplete.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Wow only took one month and 2 days to actually get an answer. Cool.

Of course! If you announce the results too quickly, some idiot will complain that the work has been rushed through and is incomplete.

Not a full answer, the women only conceived,  if the vaccine attacks placenta they could lose the children mid or late term. And as pregnancy last nine months and the phrase 2 and 3 last a combined 8, with the women conceiving during the trail, the pregnancy continue after the trial is finished need to know if they managed to give birth.

[Kryptid]

Not a full answer, the women only conceived,  if the vaccine attacks placenta they could lose the children mid or late term. And as pregnancy last nine months and the phrase 2 and 3 last a combined 8, with the women conceiving during the trail, the pregnancy continue after the trial is finished need to know if they managed to give birth.

This right here...

Offit says to consider that 70 million Americans have been infected, or about 20% of the population. If the infertility theory was true, he says, you’d expect that the body making antibodies against the natural infection would show up in our fertility statistics. It hasn’t.

...should answer that.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Not a full answer, the women only conceived,  if the vaccine attacks placenta they could lose the children mid or late term. And as pregnancy last nine months and the phrase 2 and 3 last a combined 8, with the women conceiving during the trail, the pregnancy continue after the trial is finished need to know if they managed to give birth.

This right here...

Offit says to consider that 70 million Americans have been infected, or about 20% of the population. If the infertility theory was true, he says, you’d expect that the body making antibodies against the natural infection would show up in our fertility statistics. It hasn’t.

...should answer that.

No the first relates to the vaccine trail.  The secound covid 19 infections.
The question is about how the vaccine effects placenta not the virus.

[Kryptid]

No the first relates to the vaccine trail.  The secound covid 19 infections.
The question is about how the vaccine effects placenta not the virus.

The spike protein in both is the same, so it answers the same question.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

halfwit

Do we have to result to insults?

And the issues related to the SARS cov1

And what would those be, specifically?

animal experiments

Show us the original paper about it and we can discuss it.

I found this still looking however apparently China had passed phase 1 human trails for a SARS vaccines in 2004?
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2004/12/sars-vaccine-linked-liver-damage-ferret-study

"In an unrelated SARS vaccine investigation, the Chinese government yesterday announced that a vaccine proved safe and effective in a phase 1 clinical trial. Thirty-six volunteers who had been vaccinated reported no unusual physical reactions after 56 days, Agence France-Presse reported (AFP). In addition, antibodies were found in 24 of those vaccinated, the story said.

Testing began in May with 18 men and 18 women from 21 to 40 years old following what the government termed successful animal tests, AFP reported. The vaccine won't be ready for commercial use until two more testing phases are completed."

[Jolly2 (OP)]

No the first relates to the vaccine trail.  The secound covid 19 infections.
The question is about how the vaccine effects placenta not the virus.

The spike protein in both is the same, so it answers the same question.

No the issue was something else, its not the spike protein it relates to how the immune response caused by the vaccine might attack the placenta.  Spike proteins are used to trigger that responce.
So no sorry that's not an answer.

[Kryptid]

I found this still looking however apparently China had passed phase 1 human trails for a SARS vaccines in 2004?
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2004/12/sars-vaccine-linked-liver-damage-ferret-study

That vaccine is not an mRNA vaccine:

Cao had created a vaccine from recombinant modified vaccinia virus Ankara (rMVA)

Modified vaccinia Ankara uses an actual virus. The mRNA vaccines don't, so I'm not sure what the relevant comparison is.

its not the spike protein it relates to how the immune response caused by the vaccine might attack the placenta.

The spike protein is the very thing that triggers the immune response in the first place. So please explain to us how the reaction to spike proteins produced via the vaccine could possibly be different from those same spike proteins when they are on a virus.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

I found this still looking however apparently China had passed phase 1 human trails for a SARS vaccines in 2004?
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2004/12/sars-vaccine-linked-liver-damage-ferret-study

That vaccine is not an mRNA vaccine:

Cao had created a vaccine from recombinant modified vaccinia virus Ankara (rMVA)

Modified vaccinia Ankara uses an actual virus. The mRNA vaccines don't, so I'm not sure what the relevant comparison is.

its not the spike protein it relates to how the immune response caused by the vaccine might attack the placenta.

The spike protein is the very thing that triggers the immune response in the first place. So please explain to us how the reaction to spike proteins produced via the vaccine could possibly be different from those same spike proteins when they are on a virus.

It was as originally posted

"The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women."

The suggestion made by some was that the protein string is too short. But that's just a speculation.  A longer study that saw the women give birth would be better.

They must still have the information of the women involved in the trials. It's simply a question of finding out if they all managed to give birth or of any lost their child and if  so how many?