[Jolly2 (OP)]

So we can forget about the WHO investigation ruling out the wuhan  laboratory as the source.

Of course we can. We knew that when the Chinese government announced that the disease existed.
They could have washed the whole place down with bleach, destroyed paper records, faked new ones.

It wouldn't even have been difficult.
So we knew that WHO would never be able to do a forensic examination of lab practice".

But they were able to check case histories and such,.

And the data they got- flawed as it may be , supports the obvious.

"Where did covid 19 originate?"
Wuhan.

Just as we said at the start.

Maybe China did, not the issue, the WHO team wasnt qualified to do the analysis necessary, so just a time waste.

Bret Weinstein on laboratory created Covid possibility starts at 11:20

[Petrochemicals]

Yep really adding to the discussion.

Just like calling people ridiculous.

You forgot to answer the question, BTW.

I think I called the suggestion of a 4% motility rate rediculas, not him as a person, of course he would be behaving ridiculously.

I have to agree, 66 percent of cases are asymptomatic

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Yep really adding to the discussion.

Just like calling people ridiculous.

You forgot to answer the question, BTW.

I think I called the suggestion of a 4% motility rate rediculas, not him as a person, of course he would be behaving ridiculously.

I have to agree, 66 percent of cases are asymptomatic

I'm sticking with 80% asymptomatic or mild symptoms .

Still we need to find the 'intermediary'. People at an old peoples home?

According to Bret Weinstein it's too transmissive to have occured it the way we see(that it just explodes in wuhan), so there has to be an intermediary that helped it become super transmissive in humans. That could be a laboratory or it could be a population somewhere else. But there is no evidence of the virus evolving in wuhan.

So either evolved somewhere else to become super transmissive in humans then moved to wuhan or it escaped from a laboratory doing gain of function research that was designed to make covid more transmissive in humans. But it's too evolved towards infecting humans to just jump of a ferret badger steak.

[Bored chemist]

WHO team wasnt qualified to do the analysis necessary,

They are doing the analyses.

Bret Weinstein on laboratory created Covid possibility starts at 11:20

And he's still wrong.
So what?

[Jolly2 (OP)]

WHO team wasnt qualified to do the analysis necessary,

They are doing the analyses.

Bret Weinstein on laboratory created Covid possibility starts at 11:20

And he's still wrong.
So what?

I'll take his expertise over your opinion  thanks.

[puppypower]

One way to answer the question of where the Corona virus originated, is to ask who had the needed resources and the need to develop such a virus in the lab? Not everyone has the capacity and need to do this. A related question is who benefited the most by this tragedy?

The Corona virus helped Biden and the Democrats much more than it helped Trump and the Republicans. Does the CIA run a bio-lab populated by swamp bureaucrats? It was funny how the virus shows up, coincidentally, just before the 2020 election season. It then became the central pretense to alter the election laws in states accused of voter fraud. It is weird how coincidences can time out perfectly, to need?

Trump did not benefit by the virus, as much as those who are now in power. Trump was pushing all if well and healthy narrative. it was the Democrats pushing the fear angle the most. This either tells us the Left developed the virus or they had an accomplice who would also benefit. The Left had no problem exploiting hardship and even death for its own political benefit. These people are in power now, because of their virus cheerleading.

Another way to look at motive and means is to look at the impact of the virus, and who it affected the most. The virus impacts the elderly and those with various medical issues; cardio and respiratory.  the most. The estimate is 10% of the population uses 90% of the medical resources. Corona seems to target that 10% and will in the long term, lower overall medical costs, as the virus creates attrition in the 10%.   

In China, caring for the elderly is a problem, due to their policy on birth control, which only allows one child per family. This means there are not enough children to care for the growing elderly population. This care used to occur within the family, but the stated ordered family size is now too small and the state has to intercede. The corona virus appears to be a specialty virus, needed for it national child and elderly policy. China had the means and motivation. They are also not afraid to do such things since they have a type of monarchy.

Also, China ended up with a supply monopoly, with respect to most of the supplies needed to combat the virus at the level of world citizenry. How were they so prepared? This little virus, single handedly, altered the trade balance between China, the USA and the World, which had been shifted by Trump. Now China will have a more compliant US president; from the Pre-Trump era, who will help them reverse the Trump hardships on China, while allowing trade deficits to run high and in their benefit, like under Obama. The Democrats, in turn, got their power back. This is the unholy alliance that gave us the virus.

Again, it makes no sense to develop a virus that will only do harm and have no benefit; war virus.  So we need to see who are the winners and losers, from the virus, and look closer at the winners. The narrative of this being an accidental release came from who? This narrative is the opposite of the logic that a future winner was helping to make this possible. The former narrative appears to be a distraction away from the future winners. However the winners and losers and now clear cut, but this was not the case when the scam was new and the narrative was better hidden from sight, due to no clear cut winners, yet. 

[Bored chemist]

One way to answer the question of where the Corona virus originated, is to ask who had the needed resources and the need to develop such a virus in the lab?

No
Because it evolved in a bat.

The logical fallacy you are engaging in is called
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

And, because this is a science site, it just gets you laughed at

WHO team wasnt qualified to do the analysis necessary,

They are doing the analyses.

Bret Weinstein on laboratory created Covid possibility starts at 11:20

And he's still wrong.
So what?

I'll take his expertise over your opinion  thanks.

The scientists here will take the evidence over your failure to grasp this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

[Jolly2 (OP)]

One way to answer the question of where the Corona virus originated, is to ask who had the needed resources and the need to develop such a virus in the lab?

No
Because it evolved in a bat.

False. The virus Covid 19 evolved from may very well be a virus seen in the horseshoe Bat. But Covid19 did not evolve inside a Bat. Which is why they spent ages looking at pengalins and why now the WHO doctors are looking at ferret badgers.

The virus Covid19 did not come from Bats, the pengalin argument is now gone, they are looking at badger ferrets. Noone is looking for a bat, because we know covid didnt come from a bat to humans.

Covid evolved in an intermediary, could have been people,  could have been a laboratory,  could have been a ferret badger, but it wasnt a bat.

Oh no chemists Is talking nonsense again

WHO team wasnt qualified to do the analysis necessary,

They are doing the analyses.

Bret Weinstein on laboratory created Covid possibility starts at 11:20

And he's still wrong.
So what?

I'll take his expertise over your opinion  thanks.

The scientists here will take the evidence over your failure to grasp this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

Not an argument from authority.

'THERE ARE NO AUTHORITIES IN SCIENCE, AT BEST THERE ARE EXPERTS" Karl Sagan

Fortunately Bret Weinstein has the expertise needed to asses the reality of the covid Origin, which you, and also as your silly posts prove, DONT.

[Kryptid]

Fortunately Bret Weinstein has the expertise needed to asses the reality of the covid Origin

And what about the other virologists who also have that expertise that don't agree with his conclusion?

[Bored chemist]

THERE ARE NO AUTHORITIES IN SCIENCE,

Then you can not cite someone as an authority figure.

The only real way to validate a claim in science is to use evidence.
And you have not.
Which means - as usual you are the silly one.

[Bored chemist]

I saw this and was reminded of this thread.
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1361761217107345408

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Fortunately Bret Weinstein has the expertise needed to asses the reality of the covid Origin

And what about the other virologists who also have that expertise that don't agree with his conclusion?

What about them? He has made no conclusion, his only statement so far is we need to find the intermediary.  That's it.

That each possible intermediary has a different set of events involved with each, that you would have to look for to qualify or disqualify them.

If a group of people were the intermediary, then you would expect to find that group in which Covid19 evolved in,  if it was a ferret badgers you would expect to be able to do the same.

It's funny you suggest a conclusion Kryptid  he never gave one, which means you simply didn't watch the video I shared, I can share it again...
 Starts to discuss covid origin at 11.20

[Kryptid]

It's funny you suggest a conclusion Kryptid  he never gave one

So who was it that asserted that the virus was lab-made?

[Bored chemist]

Quote from: Bored chemist on Yesterday at 12:51:50
Quote from: puppypower on Yesterday at 12:10:39
One way to answer the question of where the Corona virus originated, is to ask who had the needed resources and the need to develop such a virus in the lab?
No
Because it evolved in a bat.

False. The virus Covid 19 evolved from may very well be a virus seen in the horseshoe Bat. But Covid19 did not evolve inside a Bat. Which is why they spent ages looking at pengalins and why now the WHO doctors are looking at ferret badgers.

I guess I should apologise for trying to simplify the situation to a point where you can understand it.
Do you understand that bats, pangolins, ferrets and badgers "had the needed resources " to develop covid19?
Do you understand that bats, pangolins, ferrets and badgers do not work in laboratories?

Do you understand that, Covid did not evolve in a laboratory?

[Jolly2 (OP)]

It's funny you suggest a conclusion Kryptid  he never gave one

So who was it that asserted that the virus was lab-made?

No one it's one hypothesis, against others as the intermediary.  Watch the video

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Quote from: Bored chemist on Yesterday at 12:51:50
Quote from: puppypower on Yesterday at 12:10:39
One way to answer the question of where the Corona virus originated, is to ask who had the needed resources and the need to develop such a virus in the lab?
No
Because it evolved in a bat.

False. The virus Covid 19 evolved from may very well be a virus seen in the horseshoe Bat. But Covid19 did not evolve inside a Bat. Which is why they spent ages looking at pengalins and why now the WHO doctors are looking at ferret badgers.

I guess I should apologise for trying to simplify the situation to a point where you can understand it.

Cant even appolgose without trolling. Unbelievable.

Do you understand that bats, pangolins, ferrets and badgers "had the needed resources " to develop covid19?
Do you understand that bats, pangolins, ferrets and badgers do not work in laboratories?

With their tiny lab jackets.

Do you understand that, Covid did not evolve in a laboratory?

Wrong again, we don't know.

Laboratories can mimic nature, as Bret Weinstein suggested you can place an infected animal next to others and then take any that become infected and repeat the process as a means to increase the functionality of the virus in terms of transmisivity And that could be done as a part of gain of function research. "As you keep asking a transmission question as opposed to how long can the virus survive on a surface question or a different one".

[Bored chemist]

It's funny you suggest a conclusion Kryptid  he never gave one

So who was it that asserted that the virus was lab-made?

Jolly.

I suggest rather a relases from fort Detrick earlier in the year and a cover up by American officials.

[Bored chemist]

Cant even appolgose without trolling. Unbelievable.

I'm not the troll here.

Wrong again, we don't know.

Well, we know that it wasn't created as a bioweapon.
Why would someone have made it in a lab?

The thing about working in a lab; they don't let you play with stuff just for fun.
You need a reason (and a budget) to do things.
So, how  would anyone in a lab create create Covid for no reason?

Simple answer is they couldn't.
So, in fact we do know that it wasn't created in a lab.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Cant even appolgose without trolling. Unbelievable.

I'm not the troll here.

Wrong again, we don't know.

Well, we know that it wasn't created as a bioweapon.

You dont know that and to make the statement is a highly unscientific thing to do. So again perfect example of you trolling and adding complete disinformation into the discussion.

Why would someone have made it in a lab?

You'll have ask them, why they did so. Only they know why they would have done so.

The thing about working in a lab; they don't let you play with stuff just for fun.
You need a reason (and a budget) to do things.
So, how  would anyone in a lab create create Covid for no reason?

Gain of function research with regards to bat Corona viruses is well documented. Why they do so, go ask them. you can ask "why did you create create added functionality to a bat Corona virus'?"

Simple answer is they couldn't.

Honestly stop trolling, Bret Weinstein in the video not only talks about the possibility he activity discusses a mechanism by which to do so.

So, in fact we do know that it wasn't created in a lab.

Stop being anti-scientific in your replies.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

It's funny you suggest a conclusion Kryptid  he never gave one

So who was it that asserted that the virus was lab-made?

Jolly.

I suggest rather a relases from fort Detrick earlier in the year and a cover up by American officials.

 A hypothesis. And currently a valid one, until ruled out.

The population around fort Detrick could be the intermediary, in which covid 19 evolved before going to wuhan, At the wuhan games in Oct 2019.

We know fort Detrick was working on gain  of function research with bat Corona viruses,  we know they had a leak of materials. We know an old peoples home relatively near by had a respiratory infection out break 2 weeks before, fort Detrick was closed down.

The 3 months between July 2019 and October 2019 is certainly enough for covid 19 to evolve from which ever Corona virus might have escaped.

A hypothesis that would leave certian markers that can be looked for.