[Kryptid]

No one

Really? It sure sounds like you are asserting that it was lab made with this particular quote:

You'll have ask them, why they did so. Only they know why they would have done so.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

No one

Really? It sure sounds like you are asserting that it was lab made with this particular quote:

You'll have ask them, why they did so. Only they know why they would have done so.

Yes and part of a hypothesis,  if it was lab created only those responsible can answer the question as to why they did so.

[Kryptid]

Yes and part of a hypothesis,  if it was lab created only those responsible can answer the question as to why they did so.

Which do you think is more likely, it being lab-created or fully natural?

[puppypower]

Yes and part of a hypothesis,  if it was lab created only those responsible can answer the question as to why they did so.

Which do you think is more likely, it being lab-created or fully natural?

The class of virus called Corona virus, was first discovered in the 1920's in chickens. It caused respiratory distress in baby chickens, which caused economics to bring the virus to the forefront because of need. In the 1930's, the corona virus it was found in mice and impacted their brain. The corona virus has different affects, but they are all part of the corona class of virus. This virus was  a potential development gold mine, since theoretically the same virus base could target the lungs or brain which is interesting. 

The first human corona virus case was discovered in the 1960's. It came from a unique virus associated wth the common cold. There are friendly corona virus also. Covid-19 is not exactly unprecedented, but is more than likely a mutation, either naturally or artificially imposed, starting from a less harmful previous generation corona virus foundation. Labs had 100 and 50 years to experiment with the animal and then human virus foundation, for fun, profit, and world domination.

The mistake many make, due to the propaganda, is to assume that the covid-19 virus is new to the world, therefore it is a mystery to how it could just appear from nowhere. The bat solution appears to solve that mystery. In reality, this virus class has been studied for nearly 100 years and is well characterized in many respects. Both natural mutations and lab tweaks are very likely over the past 100 years. The corona virus is among the largest sized virus classes, which is always a plus for creating lab study standards. 

Virus multiply easier when there is no competition, such as in the lab, when a researcher is trying to isolate the virus and/or hope to witness mutations. Mutations inside a bat will face more viral and immune system competition from the bat itself, compared to a sterile beaker. Therefore, the bat scenario will need more that one bat to make all the mutation jumps from the common cold to it present state. Did they find thousands of infected bats near the China market, or did that one bat act like a sterile petrie dish? This ca help solve the mystery.

[Bored chemist]

Honestly stop trolling, Bret Weinstein in the video not only talks about the possibility he activity discusses a mechanism by which to do so.

Please explain this mechanism by which people in labs can do work without a budget.

[Bored chemist]

You dont know that and to make the statement is a highly unscientific thing to do.

We do know it; for the same reason that we know that a football was not created as a tea strainer.
It simply wouldn't work.

There is no military value for a virus that rips round the world and kills 5% of grannies and granddads.
So Covid can't be a bio weapon.

That's a perfectly scientific analysis.

[Petrochemicals]

Yes and part of a hypothesis,  if it was lab created only those responsible can answer the question as to why they did so.

Which do you think is more likely, it being lab-created or fully natural?

Lab created. Look at the evidence.

Wuhan has a viroligy lab investigating such things
Chinese authorities engage in a cover up
Wuhan lab has let viruses escape before
The spread of corona virus within China for the 2 months prior to state recognition does not match the spread in 2 months in Europe, a similarly dense population.
Genetic manipulation of this and other viruses has been proven easily achievable by the numerous vaccines created in such a small time.

Versus? Someone going on about a bat.

[Bored chemist]

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BoredChemist

It shows.
maybe you should stop being repetitively antagonistic and look at the reasoning I posted.

[Bored chemist]

Wuhan has a viroligy lab investigating such things

Please provide a list of cities of 11 million people which don't have a virology lab working on local zoonoses.

Chinese authorities engage in a cover up

So did the UK . Boris went round saying it wasn't a problem and he had been shaking hands with people in hospital.
Across the pond, Trump did the same sort of thing.

Wuhan lab has let viruses escape before

All labs seem to do this; even in the UK
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12615-faulty-pipe-blamed-for-uk-foot-and-mouth-outbreak/

The spread of corona virus within China for the 2 months prior to state recognition does not match the spread in 2 months in Europe, a similarly dense population.

The spread of a virus before the authorities know about it is not tracked- they don't have time machines.
So there is no actual possibility of there being evidence to support that claim, is there?

a similarly dense population.

In the interests of some semblance of accuracy; Wuhan (11 million) has roughly the same population as London (9 million), but it is much bigger
8,494 km² vs 1,572 km²

So the population densities are not the same.

Genetic manipulation of this and other viruses has been proven easily achievable by the numerous vaccines created in such a small time.

I don't think any of the widely used the vaccines is a live infective virus.
But that's beside the point.
Showing that something is not impossible is not the same as showing that it happened.
It does not make sense to say "Petrochemicals owns a hammer therefore petrochemicals beat someone to death.".
It does not make sense to say "GM of viruses is possible therefore Covid is a GM virus".

So, apart from being wrong on every count...

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Yes and part of a hypothesis,  if it was lab created only those responsible can answer the question as to why they did so.

Which do you think is more likely, it being lab-created or fully natural?

Lab created. Look at the evidence.

Wuhan has a viroligy lab investigating such things

If the virus escaped from the wuhan lab, the same lab investigating is a huge conflict of interest.

Chinese authorities engage in a cover up
Wuhan lab has let viruses escape before

It appears most labs at one time or another have had accidental releases of material.  We should be stopping gain of function research.

The spread of corona virus within China for the 2 months prior to state recognition does not match the spread in 2 months in Europe, a similarly dense population.

You are missing a step, under the laboratory release hypothesis,  what escaped from the laboratory wasnt covid19, it would have been a bat Corona virus or a virus adapted by gain of function research to infect critters, a virus that on escape from the laboratory started infecting humans and then evolved into covid19.

There is ofcourse the possibility and surrounding hypothesis that a laboratory developed covid 19 in its entirety and that escaped or was intentionally released. But generally lab release hypothesis' start with the idea some other virus escaped a laboratory and then evolved outside, into covid.

Genetic manipulation of this and other viruses has been proven easily achievable by the numerous vaccines created in such a small time.

Versus? Someone going on about a bat.

Which is pointless because a bat isn't the intermediary

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Yes and part of a hypothesis,  if it was lab created only those responsible can answer the question as to why they did so.

Which do you think is more likely, it being lab-created or fully natural?

Well rather then stating an opinion you have to go with the evidence and as Bret Weinstein stated in the video you clearly still have not watched,  the evidence for a lab release has increased. Whereas the evidence for a natural zoological origin has been diminishing, pangalins are now ruled out and the WHO team is looking at ferret Badgers even tho the ferret badger steaks they tested all came up negative for covid.
That the only American on the who team is deeply connected to gain of function research into bat Corona viruses,  has nothing at all to do with why the WHO team are doing everything they can to ignore the Laboratory release hypothesis.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

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I know that feeling,  maybe we should start a thread about chemicals to give him the opportunity to maybe be right for once.  Might calm him down

[Bored chemist]

If the virus escaped from the wuhan lab, the same lab investigating is a huge conflict of interest.

Did you deliberately miss the point?

We should be stopping gain of function research.

So, you want to stop the research on the effect that things like the South African  or Kent variants will have on the virus.

Do you understand why others will disagree?

, it would have been a bat Corona virus or a virus adapted by gain of function research to infect critters, a virus that on escape from the laboratory started infecting humans and then evolved into covid19.

You made that up all by yourself, didn't you?

[Bored chemist]

I know that feeling,  maybe we should start a thread about chemicals to give him the opportunity to maybe be right for once.  Might calm him down

It would be easier and better all round if you just stopped posting tosh.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Honestly stop trolling, Bret Weinstein in the video not only talks about the possibility he activity discusses a mechanism by which to do so.

Please explain this mechanism by which people in labs can do work without a budget.

Stop trolling
https://m.timesofindia.com/world/us/top-us-health-advisor-dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-for-risky-coronavirus-research-report/amp_articleshow/75449844.cms

"An organization backed by top US health advisor Dr Anthony Fauci had funded Chinese scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology for research on coronavirus, claimed a report published by the globally respected US weekly magazine Newsweek."

[Bored chemist]

Stop trolling

I am trying to stop trolling.
But you keep on doing it.

First of all that's a claim in a newspaper- so there's no reason to assume it is true.

Secondly it is irrelevant.
Yes, they may well have ben doing research on coronaviruses in bats.
Very sensible of them.

But they were not doing research on making it into a bioweapon.

Because they are not stupid, and it would be a rubbish weapon.

So, all the stuff about it being a bioweapon is known to be false.

Do you understand that?

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Stop trolling

I am trying to stop trolling.

Congratulations,  they say the first step is admitting you have a problem.  Good for you.

Yes, they may well have ben doing research on coronaviruses in bats.
Very sensible of them.

Not very sensible if it has lead to the current covid outbreak.

But they were not doing research on making it into a bioweapon.

Because they are not stupid, and it would be a rubbish weapon.

As far as I am concerned they should not be increasing the functionality of a Bat Corona virus at all.

So, all the stuff about it being a bioweapon is known to be false.

No it isn't, all depends what you want the weapon to achieve. Since the covid19 outbreak people like Bill Gates have MASSIVELY increased their wealth. Bill Gates is also using the economic downturn to buy up farm land on the cheep. Amoung others the oligarchy is making a financial killing thanks to the pandemic.
Not to suggest that's could possibly be the reason for such a bio weapon, just a note on what has been happening.

[Bored chemist]

Congratulations,  they say the first step is admitting you have a problem. 

I have a problem; his name is Jolly.

Not very sensible if it has lead to the current covid outbreak.

There's no reason to suppose that it did.

As far as I am concerned they should not be increasing the functionality of a Bat Corona virus at all.

Nobody said they should.

I asked if you thought they should stop doing research on what mutations would do to the hazard to humans from the virus.

Do you think they should stop doing research?
Do you realise that such research would let us get ahead of the game in making a vaccine for the next variant?

What you are suggesting is akin to banning knives without remembering that surgeons need scalpels.

It's OK, I didn't expect you to work that out for yourself.

No it isn't, all depends what you want the weapon to achieve

The problem is that it wasn't the "Bill Gates Lab".

Also, if I was Mr Gates (born 1955), I wouldn't want a virus that kills the over 50s.
And I recognise that Bill's probably not the only one  making money out of this scenario. But most of those who are, are over 50.


It's really not a sensible bioweapon.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Congratulations,  they say the first step is admitting you have a problem. 

I have a problem; his name is Jolly.

Not very sensible if it has lead to the current covid outbreak.

There's no reason to suppose that it did.

As far as I am concerned they should not be increasing the functionality of a Bat Corona virus at all.

Nobody said they should.

I think you did right here.

Gain of function research should be banned

It is impossible to distinguish between, for example "gain of function" research and research to look at what potential variations of the covid virus might do in terms of virulence and immunity.
Do you really want to ban research into how we might treat then next variant?

Adding functionality to a bat Corona virus isn't looking for a treatment its making the virus do more things.

I asked if you thought they should stop doing research on what mutations would do to the hazard to humans from the virus.

Great we made a virus that's more transitive. Let's hope it never escapes but if it did atleast we.know how bad it might be.

Do you think they should stop doing research?
Do you realise that such research would let us get ahead of the game in making a vaccine for the next variant?

What you are suggesting is akin to banning knives without remembering that surgeons need scalpels.

It's OK, I didn't expect you to work that out for yourself.

All nonsense

No it isn't, all depends what you want the weapon to achieve

The problem is that it wasn't the "Bill Gates Lab".

Also, if I was Mr Gates (born 1955), I wouldn't want a virus that kills the over 50s.
And I recognise that Bill's probably not the only one  making money out of this scenario. But most of those who are, are over 50.


It's really not a sensible bioweapon.

Have to ask the people who developed it, if that is ever proven.

[Kryptid]

Can we cut it out with the trolling claims already?

you have to go with the evidence

Okay, so where's the evidence?

the evidence for a lab release has increased.

How do you figure? The video you posted doesn't give us such evidence. If you disagree, then tell me the relevant timestamp, because I must have missed it.

Whereas the evidence for a natural zoological origin has been diminishing

Has it? Again, your video doesn't support that.

It's funny you suggest a conclusion Kryptid  he never gave one

He has stated that he is 90% certain of the lab leak theory, so it sure sounds like he's come to a conclusion to me.