[Kryptid]

Dont change the subject

I'm not. You mentioned it in the OP so it's on-topic.

And it's not a conspiracy that in the;African countries Gates was operating hunger increased 30%.  Not a conspiracy it's a horrendous reality.

To say that there's a reasonable chance that he did it intentionally for the purpose of population control is a conspiracy theory.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Dont change the subject

I'm not. You mentioned it in the OP so it's on-topic.

It is the title of the thread, but the title of the thread we were not discussing. We were discussing the speculation about scientists being to scared to critic bill Gates,  by moving to the title of the thread you changed the topic.

And it's not a conspiracy that in the;African countries Gates was operating hunger increased 30%.  Not a conspiracy it's a horrendous reality.

To say that there's a reasonable chance that he did it intentionally for the purpose of population control is a conspiracy theory.

Another speculation not a conspiracy theory. The label conspiracy theorist was invented by the CIA as a means to silence critics, don't be a tool.

[Kryptid]

Another speculation not a conspiracy theory.

Is it speculation that you are taking seriously? I guess you must be, otherwise you wouldn't have brought it up.

The label conspiracy theorist was invented by the CIA as a means to silence critics, don't be a tool.

A conspiracy theorist is a person who promotes/believes in conspiracy theories. Who came up with it doesn't change its meaning.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Another speculation not a conspiracy theory.

Is it speculation that you are taking seriously? I guess you must be, otherwise you wouldn't have brought it up.

Gates desire to reduce population in Africa is well documented.  He has repeatedly in many interviews stated it to be his agenda.

The question is more about the means by which he seeks to achieve it.

To see the farming programs he has established reduce food production, increased hunger by 30% and also to have reduced the nutritional value of the crops grown.  Is suggestive some of his means may well be conspiratorial.
If the systems he has imposed are behaving as he wants them to then he certianly is.

This isn't some new scheme, its been over 14 years. A program meant to increase food production has reduce it. Bill Gates is no fool with his money,  after an 18 year program for increased food production causes less food production,  the program is a failure. Yet he carries on funding it. Suggestive that it may well be the actual point of the program. And Gates is resorting to other means to achieve his agenda.

His Agenda of African population reduction is clear, he has stated it repeatedly across the world in many interviews TED talks, documentaries.

How badly does he want the agenda to succeed is the real question.

The label conspiracy theorist was invented by the CIA as a means to silence critics, don't be a tool.

A conspiracy theorist is a person who promotes/believes in conspiracy theories. Who came up with it doesn't change its meaning.

Actually it does.  The world is full of conspiracies, you only need two people with a secret plan to have a conspiracy.  The term with the stigma the CIA designed it to have are completely interwoven. That reality changes it's meaning completely.

[Kryptid]

Is suggestive some of his means may well be conspiratorial.

Uh huh. Right.

The world is full of conspiracies, you only need two people with a secret plan to have a conspiracy.

That is true, but those which are called conspiracy theories are most typically those that refer to conspiracies of a grand stature, usually supposedly perpetrated by large entities such as governments or militaries. They are usually something paranoid. And more specifically than that, those conspiracy theories are most usually devoid of good supporting evidence, rather relying on "someone somewhere said something" that can't be proven, assuming that correlation is causation or jumping to conclusions. Bill Gates planning to reduce the world population through starvation certainly fits that.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Is suggestive some of his means may well be conspiratorial.

Uh huh. Right.

His programs already are starting to starve people,  that's a reality.

The question is, is that by design or not?

The world is full of conspiracies, you only need two people with a secret plan to have a conspiracy.

That is true, but those which are called conspiracy theories are most typically those that refer to conspiracies of a grand stature, usually supposedly perpetrated by large entities such as governments or militaries. They are usually something paranoid. And more specifically than that, those conspiracy theories are most usually devoid of good supporting evidence, rather relying on "someone somewhere said something" that can't be proven, assuming that correlation is causation or jumping to conclusions. Bill Gates planning to reduce the world population through starvation certainly fits that.

Bill Gates Agenda of African population reduction is clear, he has stated it repeatedly across the world in many interviews TED talks, and documentaries. No New news Bill Gates wants massive depopulation in Africa.

The question is more about the means by which he seeks to achieve it.

To see the farming programs he has established reduce food production, increased hunger by 30% and also to have reduced the nutritional value of the crops grown.  Is suggestive some of his means may well be conspiratorial.
If the systems he has imposed are behaving as he wants them to then he certianly is.

This isn't some new scheme, its been over 18 years. A program meant to increase food production has reduce it. Bill Gates is no fool with his money,  after an 18 year program for increased food production causes less food production,  the program is a failure. Yet he carries on funding it. Suggestive that it may well be the actual point of the program. And Gates is resorting to other means to achieve his agenda.

How badly does he want the agenda to succeed is the real question.

 

[Kryptid]

The question is, is that by design or not?

That's exactly what I'm skeptical of. Hence what I said about correlation not being causation.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

The question is, is that by design or not?

That's exactly what I'm skeptical of. Hence what I said about correlation not being causation.

Be skeptical.

But Gates has a declared agenda to reduce African population.

And his program currently after over 14 years, is reducing food production,  increasing hunger and providing less neutrious crops.

I'm also skeptical, I'm skeptical about the stated agenda of this failed program. and ponder why such a failed program would still be being funded.  That it might be doing exactly what Gates wants it to,  isnt a conspiracy, it's a possible explanation

[Kryptid]

isnt a conspiracy

Gates trying to kill people with starvation is most certainly a conspiracy, because if he is doing so, he would be keeping it a secret.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

isnt a conspiracy

Gates trying to kill people with starvation is most certainly a conspiracy, because if he is doing so, he would be keeping it a secret.

If proven,  Gates would be engaged in a conspiracy.  Right now it's simply one of a few speculative explanations.

[Kryptid]

If proven,  Gates would be engaged in a conspiracy.

That's quite a big "if".

[alancalverd]

Bill Gates wants massive depopulation in Africa.

So does anyone who cares about climate change, sustainability and quality of life. The question is whether it will be achieved by disease and starvation (as has been the case for several thousand years), genocide and civil war (since the 1950s), or education and economics (as promoted by the Gates Foundation).   

[Bored chemist]

If proven,  Gates would be engaged in a conspiracy.

So, if it was a theory, it would be a conspiracy theory.
Are you saying it's not a conspiracy theory because it is just baseless guesswork?

[Jolly2 (OP)]

Bill Gates wants massive depopulation in Africa.

So does anyone who cares about climate change, sustainability and quality of life.

Nonsense,  as I have been arguing for ages, population isnt the issue, it's how we produce. 75% of all environmental damage is comming from business practice, as usual business passes the buck and wants to blame people. It's all rubbish. Reducing the population achieves nothing, when the real cause is how business behaves. Even if everyone stops behaviour that damages the planet only 25% of the issue is solved leaving everything as a consequence of corporate behaviour.

The question is whether it will be achieved by disease and starvation (as has been the case for several thousand years), genocide and civil war (since the 1950s), or education and economics (as promoted by the Gates Foundation).

All dooms day nonsense and hype used to justify agendas that are unnecessary. We can feed far more people then we currently do, we can produce energy in far cleaner and safer ways, we can produce products and services in ways that dont damage the environment,  that's all possible. Sadly some oligarchs never have enough,  and so keep people in poverty and starvation,  to make it easier for low wage exploitation.

There are 1000s of solutions to problems the elites however are only interested in solutions that guarantee their continuation as Rulers, and that is the biggest issue.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

If proven,  Gates would be engaged in a conspiracy.

So, if it was a theory, it would be a conspiracy theory.
Are you saying it's not a conspiracy theory because it is just baseless guesswork?

No, I'm looking at gates stated agenda. To depopulate Africa.

And then looking at one program he has in Africa that was claiming it would increase food production.

Then wondering why a program that was meant to increase food production is after 18 years actually decreasing food production.

It simple a question why is this failed program still running? Its increasing hunger, reducing the nutritional value of crops and producing less food.

Is that Bill Gates actual intention? Is the question not a conspiracy theory,  it's a speculative answer to the question why is that program still running after over 18s years of failure?

If I was a politician in one the African countries effected I would be demanding an investigation in to what has gone wrong.  On opening the books into the decision making that have lead to this failure, we might find the actual answer to the question.  That answer could be Bill Gates intends to reduce food production on purpose, but it could also be people mismanaged the program and just sort to take as much money as possible from Gates as a milking scheme. Although I find the latter less likely as Gates doesnt appear to be the type, to be so easily taken advantage of. And ultimately after this failure he still funds it.

[alancalverd]

The suggestion that an African government might be corrupt is, frankly, outrageous. Never in the history of any African country has here been a case of a president or minister with his hand in the till. These guys are all of the highest moral caliber and integrity, who practice genocide and ignore election results because that is the proper way to do business.   

If the bank makes a mistake, the rain fails or the crop gets hijacked, that is clearly the fault of the man who invented Windows.

Whilst I have your attention, may I ask for a small favor that will be to our mutual advantage? My second cousin died in a freak accident in his Ugandan gold mine, leaving me with $25,000,000 in bullion in his will, with which to look after his starving wife and children.  I am entitled to a half share in this wealth but I need $150,000 immediately to pay the legal fees for probate and death duties. I will be pleased to refund the money plus 10% per annum interest and a 20% tax-free honorarium as soon as the  case is settled. Please send me a personal message with an authority to access your bank account. This offer is only open to correspondents on this forum as you are all known to be persons of honor and integrity.

[Jolly2 (OP)]

The suggestion that an African government might be corrupt is, frankly, outrageous. Never in the history of any African country has here been a case of a president or minister with his hand in the till. These guys are all of the highest moral caliber and integrity, who practice genocide and ignore election results because that is the proper way to do business.   

Actually  it's often at the behest of the very people that installed them, there are countless examples of African leaders seeking a  better circumstance for thier people, being assinated by the west for daring to challenge the status quo of western corporate control over their resources.

If the bank makes a mistake, the rain fails or the crop gets hijacked, that is clearly the fault of the man who invented Windows.

Nice nonsense ramble that seeks to change the actual point.

Whilst I have your attention,

You think you achieved anything besides showing your complete support for western corporate exploitation of Africa?

may I ask for a small favor that will be to our mutual advantage? My second cousin died in a freak accident in his Ugandan gold mine, leaving me with $25,000,000 in bullion in his will, with which to look after his starving wife and children.  I am entitled to a half share in this wealth but I need $150,000 immediately to pay the legal fees for probate and death duties. I will be pleased to refund the money plus 10% per annum interest and a 20% tax-free honorarium as soon as the  case is settled. Please send me a personal message with an authority to access your bank account. This offer is only open to correspondents on this forum as you are all known to be persons of honor and integrity.

It's funny because only really poor people, both financially and spiritually engage in such schemes,  I wonder what reality they must have grown up in, to end up like that?

[Bored chemist]

No, I'm looking at gates stated agenda. To depopulate Africa.

Where is this stated?

[Jolly2 (OP)]

No, I'm looking at gates stated agenda. To depopulate Africa.

Where is this stated?

In almost every interview, documentary,  and TED talk he has given over the past 10 years about Africa.


Bill Gates on his best investment ever, over 20 to 1 return.

Paid 10 billion on vaccines made in profit over 200 billion.

What a philanthropist.

[Bored chemist]

What a philanthropist.

Indeed.
Because, of course, it wasn't Bill (who is estimated to own about $120 B) who got the $200B.

He put in the start up money, and society benefitted to the tune of 20 times as much as his donation.

It is important to remember that Jolly thought that Bill was getting the return- even though this is obviously impossible.
This in turn is because Jolly's bias blinds him to even obvious facts like "If Bill had received $200 B then Bill would have more than $200 B".