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Electron shell, light fighting out against the nucleus

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Re: Electron shell, light fighting out against the nucleus
« Reply #20 on: 26/02/2021 21:39:11 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 26/02/2021 21:35:47
Is this your idea of gravity in 3D because the source is reputable?

A random YouTuber is not a reputable source.
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Re: Electron shell, light fighting out against the nucleus
« Reply #21 on: 26/02/2021 21:40:36 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 26/02/2021 21:38:54
Quote from: Bored chemist on 26/02/2021 21:35:04
If you think there are paradoxes in General relativity
(1) what are they and
(2) do you really think that you would be the first one to notice them?

The answers for the age old paradoxes are silly. The last one I watched said the twin clock paradox was solved by the twin's return journey home on a cell phone. That is when I researched answers to that paradox. What is your silly answer to it?
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If you think there are paradoxes in General relativity
(1) what are they and
(2) do you really think that you would be the first one to notice them?
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Re: Electron shell, light fighting out against the nucleus
« Reply #22 on: 26/02/2021 21:54:11 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 26/02/2021 21:39:11
A random YouTuber is not a reputable source.

So your denying a fact that the image in the video is what the professor's experiment looks like from the top. Why are you arguing that? You should lose instead of more slashing of mine and the reader's intelligence.
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Re: Electron shell, light fighting out against the nucleus
« Reply #23 on: 26/02/2021 21:57:16 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 26/02/2021 21:54:11
So your denying a fact that the image in the video is what the professor's experiment looks like from the top. Why are you arguing that?

Do you know what a visual analogy is?

Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 26/02/2021 21:54:11
You should lose

Lose what?

Even if relativity was wrong, it wouldn't make your idea right. So far, you haven't given any evidence to support your idea.
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Re: Electron shell, light fighting out against the nucleus
« Reply #24 on: 26/02/2021 22:05:36 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 26/02/2021 21:57:16
So far, you haven't given any evidence to support your idea.

Hence it is only on an internet forum. This is new theories isn't it? I suppose your going to ramble on about what new theories are by definition.
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Re: Electron shell, light fighting out against the nucleus
« Reply #25 on: 26/02/2021 22:09:21 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 26/02/2021 22:05:36
Hence it is only on an internet forum. This is new theories isn't it? I suppose your going to ramble on about what new theories are by definition.

Sounds like you are admitting that you don't have evidence.
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Re: Electron shell, light fighting out against the nucleus
« Reply #26 on: 26/02/2021 22:14:17 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 26/02/2021 22:09:21
Sounds like you are admitting that you don't have evidence.

I showed you the visual evidence that gravity looks more like a squeezing pressure then a bending. What exactly is your case against what I said? Your just rambling on about sources. I posted one and you say nothing about. Stop thinking your some hotshot that's heard everything before. This is just a silly forum after all.
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Re: Electron shell, light fighting out against the nucleus
« Reply #27 on: 26/02/2021 22:18:05 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 26/02/2021 22:14:17
I showed you the visual evidence that gravity looks more like a squeezing pressure then a bending.

Where?
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Re: Electron shell, light fighting out against the nucleus
« Reply #28 on: 26/02/2021 22:18:39 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 26/02/2021 22:14:17
I showed you the visual evidence that gravity looks more like a squeezing pressure then a bending.
No
You didn't show any actual evidence of anything.

You showed a computer generated video of something.
That's like saying that the Lord of the Rings is evidence for Orcs.
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Re: Electron shell, light fighting out against the nucleus
« Reply #29 on: 26/02/2021 22:32:02 »
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You can't seemingly have a gravity wave if you have time dilation.
On the contrary, a gravitational wave propagates through spacetime.
- It not only compresses and expands space, it also compresses and expands time
- Apparently, if it were not for the impact on time, LIGO would not work
      - exactly why is above my pay grade, but you can hear Brian Cox explain it in an infinite monkey cage:
      -  https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09kxt28
      -  starting at 14 minutes - but the whole episode is great!

It also has some discussion of the trampoline analogy in the early part of the podcast...
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Re: Electron shell, light fighting out against the nucleus
« Reply #30 on: 26/02/2021 22:36:54 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 26/02/2021 22:18:05
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 26/02/2021 22:14:17
I showed you the visual evidence that gravity looks more like a squeezing pressure then a bending.

Where?

Are you kidding me!? For the ten thousandth time what is your problem with the fact that the top view of the trampoline experiment shows space getting squeezed rather then bent? If your not going to answer I'm done.
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Re: Electron shell, light fighting out against the nucleus
« Reply #31 on: 26/02/2021 22:38:09 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 26/02/2021 22:36:54
For the ten thousandth time what is your problem with the fact that the top view of the trampoline experiment shows space getting squeezed rather then bent?

For the ten-thousandth time, do you know what a visual analogy is?
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Re: Electron shell, light fighting out against the nucleus
« Reply #32 on: 26/02/2021 22:44:58 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 26/02/2021 22:36:54
If your not going to answer I'm done
Goodbye.
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Re: Electron shell, light fighting out against the nucleus
« Reply #33 on: 26/02/2021 22:49:23 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 26/02/2021 22:38:09
For the ten-thousandth time, do you know what a visual analogy is?

The lasdies must love you because your such a great dancer. Danced around my question 4 TIMES in this thread alone. Dancin' and spinin', emitin' them gravityiationale waves.
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Re: Electron shell, light fighting out against the nucleus
« Reply #34 on: 26/02/2021 22:54:13 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 26/02/2021 22:49:23
The lasdies must love you because your such a great dancer. Danced around my question 4 TIMES in this thread alone. Dancin' and spinin', emitin' them gravityiationale waves.

The fact that you keep trying to misrepresent a visual analogy as the way gravity literally works in real life isn't my fault.
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Re: Electron shell, light fighting out against the nucleus
« Reply #35 on: 27/02/2021 03:04:49 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 26/02/2021 22:54:13
The fact that you keep trying to misrepresent a visual analogy as the way gravity literally works in real life isn't my fault.

I bet you dance for quarters.
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Re: Electron shell, light fighting out against the nucleus
« Reply #36 on: 27/02/2021 15:00:33 »
Quote from: trevorjohnson32 on 22/02/2021 20:35:33
If an object moving through space experiences time dilation how would gravity waves effect it? You can't seemingly have a gravity wave if you have time dilation.

The electron shell could be a result of the gravity field of the nucleus. The electron shell allows for light of a certain amount to fill it at all times. It could be a property of a wave that has never been heard of before where the wave fighting out against the gravity pulling in creates the shell effect. It's such highly dense space at the nucleus that it would be like looking into forever darkness and the light gets trapped fighting its way out but cannot be pulled in because of the singularity that space is without gravity waves.

Another consideration is connected to the wave nature of electrons and the EM force. Picture a wave tank, with wave generators at each end of the tank. If the wave generators are 180 degrees out of phase, the waves coming from each side will be equal and opposite; plus and minus charge and will cancel. Since these wave will cancel. that energy being inputted by the wave generators will appear to disappear. since the tank will become still, due to wave cancellation. The energy is conserved but in an invisible way.

If we wanted to get the energy back, we can place a partition in the still water. This disrupts the waves from cancelling, and causes their energy to reappear. There is another way, which is connected time. If we could create a time delay, between the generators, so each generator is push the same waves and wave energy, but slightly different in time, part of the hidden energy will reappear since the crests and troughs are slightly separated along the x-axis. Gravity can create a time shift, and red or blue shift to reveal part of the hidden energy.
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Re: Electron shell, light fighting out against the nucleus
« Reply #37 on: 27/02/2021 21:50:52 »
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wave generators at each end of the tank. If the wave generators are 180 degrees out of phase, the waves coming from each side will be equal and opposite; plus and minus charge and will cancel.
The problem with this thought experiment is that the waves are propagating in opposite directions, so in some places they will be out-of-phase, and in other nearby places they will be in-phase, adding to produce greater amplitude.
- In the places where the amplitude is zero, the water currents are at a maximum, so the energy is transferred by kinetic energy rather than gravitational potential energy.
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