[Just thinking (OP)]

Do you mean what started to rotate the universe

Yes.
Or rather, how is it possible?

Ok, I will try my best. This will be the biggest question to answer regarding my rotating universe. I can only speculate and attempt to answer this with multiple possibilities first we must remember that all of the bodies seen within the seeable universe are rotating what could rotate the whole picture well maybe many other pictures what has been described by the physicist as multiverses many universes reacting on each other. Another possibility is waveform the early globular universe may have had an uneven expanding structure which transforms this uneven out of balance structure to have collapsing uneven pressure in one direction a vertical movement if uneven on one side can reestablish itself into a horizontal movement generating rotation. Without going any further with more possibilities This is a big question to answer and can never be proven nor can be disproven just like all the mainstream possibilities put out there by mainstream science after all not all can be correct only one true answer out of many.

If we assume gravity is a force, like the other three forces of nature, when mass lowers potential due to gravity, energy should be given off. Going from higher to lower potential releases energy. This gravity based energy output, if absorbed by other mass, should result in what appears to be an anti-gravity affect, if this theory is correct. The analogy is a hydrogen atom lowering energy level will give off a photon of energy. If this photon is absorbed by a different hydrogen atom, it will go to a higher energy level; mirrored action and reaction. 

When stars begin to form from a cloud of  dust, water crystals, and hydrogen gas, the mass will start to rotate, with the rotation creating a centrifugal force, the vector of which opposes the direction of gravity. The centrifugal force vector, created by the action/reaction rotation, goes in the opposite direction of gravity. There is a coordinated action and reaction, due to the exothermic output from gravity. The action of gravity explains the reaction rotation of stars, planets, solar systems and galaxies, since they all have the common feature of gravity acting and lowering potential.

Since these rotations do not always exactly cancel gravity, especially in the early formation of stars, the excess energy output, from the action of gravity, will go outward beyond the object. It will have an impact on larger and larger scale rotations, all the way to the universe. This explains why the universe appears to be expanding relative to the galaxies. They are isolated relative to each other by the action of their own gravity. Their constant exothermic output, due to constant star formation, is creating an antigravity affect onto each other. Dark energy may well be the exothermic output from gravity. Dark energy is not new but an old thing that was renamed. It is the exothermic output from the entire universe lowering gravitational potential.

Another way to look at this is via GR. If the action of gravity is causing space-time to contract as defined by GR, than the exothermic output, as gravity lowers potential energy, should cause space-time to expand, elsewhere. This is what dark energy does. While the centrifugal force created, which opposes gravity, seems to appear anywhere gravity acts. If we flush the toilet, gravity is lowering potential and rotation appears. The direction of rotation does not alter the direction and magnitude of the centrifugal force vector; still an anti-gravity in affect.

Thank you for this very detailed account of physics at work but I'm not sharp enuff to determine as to whether your in agreement with a rotating universe or not in agreement with my theory

[Just thinking (OP)]

I thought I would just throw one more spanner in the works. Regarding my rotating universe. Let's say we could see the entire universe from its outside just like we can see the Andromeda galaxy maybe the universe looks just like that a universe with spiral arms a spiral universe filled with spiral galaxies. If the milky way was only visible out to a thousand light-years we would not know that it was spiral there for our visible universe is just a drop in the ocean we can not see enough of it to see the true spiral shape as its rapid expansion is outpacing its light.

[puppypower]

One of the reasons nobody can see dark energy in the lab, nor has anyone seen the exothermic output from gravity in the lab; same thing, is this type of potential is not exactly a particle or a wave, since is connected to time potential. A wave forms in 2-D; space-time. This type of potential is 1-D; time, frequency/rotations. We cannot see time potential with space-time sensitive tools, but can infer it by time based affects; mathematical time 

Think of it this way. According to GR, as mass decreases distance, mass lowers gravitational potential and space-time contracts. GR and gravity are dependent on distance and mass, but not time. Whether we contract the mass fast or slow, today or tomorrow, once the same distance is reached, we get the same space-time contraction. In essence, when gravity is acting, time is being dragged along; via the unity of space-time, and is being induced to slowdown, by virtue of GR, as a function of distance.

When space-time contracts there is less potential in distance; GR. When time is induced to slow, via the unity of space-time, there is more potential in time. We will age slower in contracted time, allowing us to exist longer in terms of any fixed standard of time. All the forces and atoms of our body will adjust in time, so the laws of physics can remain the same in our slower reference. Time will lead distance due to the extra time potential. Distance potential is too low to lead; GR.

There is a potential, in time, that is added by gravity, based on only mass and distance influencing the unity of space-time in GR. The gravitational potential in distance is lowered as gravity acts, but the potential in time increases. This creates a lingering potential in time. Potential in time, has a tell and will impact things, based on the units of time; frequency/rotations or 1/t. An object orbiting the earth lingers in time, relative to gravity. Eventually its runs out of countering time potential and the orbit will start to decay led by GR and distance potential.

The resultant centrifugal force induced by rotations have an antigravity affect. Since this vector is opposite gravity, instead of distance leading time, like gravity, we get time potential leading distance via time-space to make it easier to isolate and investigate. The inertia and angular momentum of a large star rotation, perpetuates in time, because gravity induces a permanent time potential in the core, that expresses itself via time-space; rotations.

The curvature of space-time appears to be connected to time potential, since curved lines that meet back on itself is the basis of a rotation.

[puppypower]

Do you mean what started to rotate the universe

Yes.
Or rather, how is it possible?

Ok, I will try my best. This will be the biggest question to answer regarding my rotating universe. I can only speculate and attempt to answer this with multiple possibilities first we must remember that all of the bodies seen within the seeable universe are rotating what could rotate the whole picture well maybe many other pictures what has been described by the physicist as multiverses many universes reacting on each other. Another possibility is waveform the early globular universe may have had an uneven expanding structure which transforms this uneven out of balance structure to have collapsing uneven pressure in one direction a vertical movement if uneven on one side can reestablish itself into a horizontal movement generating rotation. Without going any further with more possibilities This is a big question to answer and can never be proven nor can be disproven just like all the mainstream possibilities put out there by mainstream science after all not all can be correct only one true answer out of many.

If we assume gravity is a force, like the other three forces of nature, when mass lowers potential due to gravity, energy should be given off. Going from higher to lower potential releases energy. This gravity based energy output, if absorbed by other mass, should result in what appears to be an anti-gravity affect, if this theory is correct. The analogy is a hydrogen atom lowering energy level will give off a photon of energy. If this photon is absorbed by a different hydrogen atom, it will go to a higher energy level; mirrored action and reaction. 

When stars begin to form from a cloud of  dust, water crystals, and hydrogen gas, the mass will start to rotate, with the rotation creating a centrifugal force, the vector of which opposes the direction of gravity. The centrifugal force vector, created by the action/reaction rotation, goes in the opposite direction of gravity. There is a coordinated action and reaction, due to the exothermic output from gravity. The action of gravity explains the reaction rotation of stars, planets, solar systems and galaxies, since they all have the common feature of gravity acting and lowering potential.

Since these rotations do not always exactly cancel gravity, especially in the early formation of stars, the excess energy output, from the action of gravity, will go outward beyond the object. It will have an impact on larger and larger scale rotations, all the way to the universe. This explains why the universe appears to be expanding relative to the galaxies. They are isolated relative to each other by the action of their own gravity. Their constant exothermic output, due to constant star formation, is creating an antigravity affect onto each other. Dark energy may well be the exothermic output from gravity. Dark energy is not new but an old thing that was renamed. It is the exothermic output from the entire universe lowering gravitational potential.

Another way to look at this is via GR. If the action of gravity is causing space-time to contract as defined by GR, than the exothermic output, as gravity lowers potential energy, should cause space-time to expand, elsewhere. This is what dark energy does. While the centrifugal force created, which opposes gravity, seems to appear anywhere gravity acts. If we flush the toilet, gravity is lowering potential and rotation appears. The direction of rotation does not alter the direction and magnitude of the centrifugal force vector; still an anti-gravity in affect.

Thank you for this very detailed account of physics at work but I'm not sharp enuff to determine as to whether your in agreement with a rotating universe or not in agreement with my theory

I am in agreement with your theory. I was showing you how to explain a source of energy for your theory. The exothermic output, from gravity lowering potential, causes the rotations of stars. Gravity acting on the entire mass of the universe, via all the galaxies, will give off the energy needed to rotate the universe.

Eventually when gravity reaches steady state, and the exothermic output slows and stops, the universe will start to contract. The analogy is the exothermic output from gravity is like hot air filling up a ballon. Once the heat is shut off; steady state galaxies, the balloon starts to deflate; rotating universe will spiral inward.

[Just thinking (OP)]

Do you mean what started to rotate the universe

Yes.
Or rather, how is it possible?

Ok, I will try my best. This will be the biggest question to answer regarding my rotating universe. I can only speculate and attempt to answer this with multiple possibilities first we must remember that all of the bodies seen within the seeable universe are rotating what could rotate the whole picture well maybe many other pictures what has been described by the physicist as multiverses many universes reacting on each other. Another possibility is waveform the early globular universe may have had an uneven expanding structure which transforms this uneven out of balance structure to have collapsing uneven pressure in one direction a vertical movement if uneven on one side can reestablish itself into a horizontal movement generating rotation. Without going any further with more possibilities This is a big question to answer and can never be proven nor can be disproven just like all the mainstream possibilities put out there by mainstream science after all not all can be correct only one true answer out of many.

If we assume gravity is a force, like the other three forces of nature, when mass lowers potential due to gravity, energy should be given off. Going from higher to lower potential releases energy. This gravity based energy output, if absorbed by other mass, should result in what appears to be an anti-gravity affect, if this theory is correct. The analogy is a hydrogen atom lowering energy level will give off a photon of energy. If this photon is absorbed by a different hydrogen atom, it will go to a higher energy level; mirrored action and reaction. 

When stars begin to form from a cloud of  dust, water crystals, and hydrogen gas, the mass will start to rotate, with the rotation creating a centrifugal force, the vector of which opposes the direction of gravity. The centrifugal force vector, created by the action/reaction rotation, goes in the opposite direction of gravity. There is a coordinated action and reaction, due to the exothermic output from gravity. The action of gravity explains the reaction rotation of stars, planets, solar systems and galaxies, since they all have the common feature of gravity acting and lowering potential.

Since these rotations do not always exactly cancel gravity, especially in the early formation of stars, the excess energy output, from the action of gravity, will go outward beyond the object. It will have an impact on larger and larger scale rotations, all the way to the universe. This explains why the universe appears to be expanding relative to the galaxies. They are isolated relative to each other by the action of their own gravity. Their constant exothermic output, due to constant star formation, is creating an antigravity affect onto each other. Dark energy may well be the exothermic output from gravity. Dark energy is not new but an old thing that was renamed. It is the exothermic output from the entire universe lowering gravitational potential.

Another way to look at this is via GR. If the action of gravity is causing space-time to contract as defined by GR, than the exothermic output, as gravity lowers potential energy, should cause space-time to expand, elsewhere. This is what dark energy does. While the centrifugal force created, which opposes gravity, seems to appear anywhere gravity acts. If we flush the toilet, gravity is lowering potential and rotation appears. The direction of rotation does not alter the direction and magnitude of the centrifugal force vector; still an anti-gravity in affect.

Thank you for this very detailed account of physics at work but I'm not sharp enuff to determine as to whether your in agreement with a rotating universe or not in agreement with my theory

I am in agreement with your theory. I was showing you how to explain a source of energy for your theory. The exothermic output, from gravity lowering potential, causes the rotations of stars. Gravity acting on the entire mass of the universe, via all the galaxies, will give off the energy needed to rotate the universe.

Eventually when gravity reaches steady state, and the exothermic output slows and stops, the universe will start to contract. The analogy is the exothermic output from gravity is like hot air filling up a ballon. Once the heat is shut off; steady state galaxies, the balloon starts to deflate; rotating universe will spiral inward.

Well thank you very much you have made a real effort to explain what I am seeing in my mind's eye. I won't insult you by pretending to understand your explanation as my degree of understanding is rather limited however thank you again for your agreeance.

[Bored chemist]

, the mass will start to rotate,

No.
It was already rotating.
That's the conservation of angular momentum.

It's a lot easier to see the rotation when the stuff is more crowded together,and the angular velocity increases which also makes it more clear.
But it was rotating before it came together.

One of the reasons nobody can see dark energy in the lab,

The only reason we can't see dark matter in the lab is that it doesn't interact with ordinary matter (from which all our experimental kit is made) except via gravity which is a rather feeble force.

I won't insult you by pretending to understand your explanation as my degree of understanding is rather limited however thank you again for your agreeance.

His explanation does not make sense.
It relies on things that aren't real.

[Bored chemist]

I thought I would just throw one more spanner in the works. Regarding my rotating universe. Let's say we could see the entire universe from its outside just like we can see the Andromeda galaxy maybe the universe looks just like that a universe with spiral arms a spiral universe filled with spiral galaxies. If the milky way was only visible out to a thousand light-years we would not know that it was spiral there for our visible universe is just a drop in the ocean we can not see enough of it to see the true spiral shape as its rapid expansion is outpacing its light.

The fact remains that the universe would look red shifted in some directions (and we see that it is) but it would unshifted or blue shifted in others (and we see that it is not).

There's really no way round that fact

[Just thinking (OP)]

I thought I would just throw one more spanner in the works. Regarding my rotating universe. Let's say we could see the entire universe from its outside just like we can see the Andromeda galaxy maybe the universe looks just like that a universe with spiral arms a spiral universe filled with spiral galaxies. If the milky way was only visible out to a thousand light-years we would not know that it was spiral there for our visible universe is just a drop in the ocean we can not see enough of it to see the true spiral shape as its rapid expansion is outpacing its light.

The fact remains that the universe would look red shifted in some directions (and we see that it is) but it would unshifted or blue shifted in others (and we see that it is not).

There's really no way round that fact

There are stars that are blue shift and neutral in fact the andromeda galaxy is in the blueshift as the Milkyway and andromeda galaxy are on a colision corse.

[Bored chemist]

There are stars that are blue shift and neutral in fact the andromeda galaxy is in the blueshift as the Milkyway and andromeda galaxy are on a colision corse.

As you say, we know that there are some blue shifted  stars, and we know why.
But a model in which the expansion is driven by spin would mean that there were great swathes of space where  almost all the stars were blue shifted.
And that's not what we see.

[puppypower]

I thought I would just throw one more spanner in the works. Regarding my rotating universe. Let's say we could see the entire universe from its outside just like we can see the Andromeda galaxy maybe the universe looks just like that a universe with spiral arms a spiral universe filled with spiral galaxies. If the milky way was only visible out to a thousand light-years we would not know that it was spiral there for our visible universe is just a drop in the ocean we can not see enough of it to see the true spiral shape as its rapid expansion is outpacing its light.

The fact remains that the universe would look red shifted in some directions (and we see that it is) but it would unshifted or blue shifted in others (and we see that it is not).

There's really no way round that fact

There are stars that are blue shift and neutral in fact the andromeda galaxy is in the blueshift as the Milkyway and andromeda galaxy are on a colision corse.

What is interesting about this is we appear to live in an area of the universe, where space-time between galaxies is not expanding relative to those galaxies. We appear to be situated in  a dark energy dead zone. The universe is expanding relative to the galaxies, but not around here, or else we should have a red shift. 

Like I mentioned before, heat and energy, when in contact with matter, will flow from hot to cold. The flow of heat and/or energy from hot to cold will also create a red shift. Galaxies give off a lot of heat and energy into the space between, which is composed of cold rarified matter.

If energy and photons could travel the length of the universe and not hit any matter, the wavelength will not change. But if the photons encounter matter; hot to cold, it original emissions can change, due to the cooling red shift. The total red shift we see, may not be exclusively due to motion, especially as things get farther away and even rarified matter interaction with energy becomes inevitable. The blue shift with Andromeda has the least amount of cooling red shift due to the small distances that the photons have to travel. 

The idea of a rotating universe makes sense from the POV of General Relativity. Space-time is curved due to matter and gravity. A plot of the universe would be better represented on spherical coordinates, instead of on cartesian coordinates. This would make it clear that motion through space-time would follow curved lines like rotations do. We still have the tendency to place the universal globe on a flat map, where curves in 3-D become lines in 2-D. The rotations predicted by GR appear to flatten out due to this plotting schema.

I think it was Einstein who said; to paraphrase, that a light shined into space, will not just keep going outward to the end of the map and fall off the edge. Rather it will follow curved space-time and return to where it started on the globe.

[Kryptid]

The flow of heat and/or energy from hot to cold will also create a red shift.

Please cite a source for this.

[Origin]

What is interesting about this is we appear to live in an area of the universe, where space-time between galaxies is not expanding relative to those galaxies. We appear to be situated in  a dark energy dead zone. The universe is expanding relative to the galaxies, but not around here, or else we should have a red shift.

Once again you have completely misunderstood what is going on.  We do not live in some special area!  Every galaxy in every part of the universe will be attracted to other galaxies that are close to them, IOW galaxies close to other galaxy (where ever they are) will be blue shifted relative to each other.

Sometimes I wonder if one of these days you might say something that is not completely made up ignorant bull crap.  If you did I would probably have a heart attack but I think I am safe though, since you never spout nothing but pseudoscience.

[Bored chemist]

For the benefit of Just Thinking, this:

The flow of heat and/or energy from hot to cold will also create a red shift.

Please cite a source for this.

is the scientists polite way of saying, "You are talking bollocks- if you think you are not, then prove it."

[Just thinking (OP)]

We live in a very strange universe or so it seems I do believe the universe has windows but for now the blinds are shut. I don't believe that there will ever be a telescope or a space mission that will uncover the truth. The universe would have to reverse its intention for us to know it in full. We will always be in ore we will always try and learn our classroom materials are limited we will stay in first grade forevermore. I wish I could add more to my rotating universe theory but for now, I'm stuck maybe if I ask my parents for a bigger telescope for Christmas.

[Just thinking (OP)]

Any ideas for this theory.

[Bored chemist]

Any ideas for this theory.

What theory?

[Just thinking (OP)]

What theory?

Why the universe is expanding/getting bigger/getting larger/getting more massive/growing in size/becoming bigger/putting on weight/maturing/getting older/obesity/huge/over the horizon/topping the scales/ to far gone.

[Origin]

Why the universe is expanding/getting bigger/getting larger/getting more massive/growing in size/becoming bigger/putting on weight/maturing/getting older/obesity/huge/over the horizon/topping the scales/ to far gone.

That's not a theory.

[Just thinking (OP)]

That's not a theory.

It's the greatest theory of the last two or maybe even the last three centuries. Even the average nobody wanted to know the answer to this very interesting and mind boggling question that's why I have put forward this exclusive and productive explanation so the average Joe can benefit from my knowledge. There is no need to thank me as I do this for the benefit of all mankind. PS If there is anything else that I can explain please don't hesitate to ask. And one other thing I have a blackboard at home and a modern whiteboard as well that has E=MC box on it so I do know what I'm talking about. And it has other digits and things on it as well. I'm still here  I almost forgot to mention I am a mathematical genius as I have a Casio calculator.

[puppypower]

The second law states that the entropy of the universe has to increase. If you look closer, an expansion of space-time does just that. Time moves faster as space-time expands. This  increases the rate at which entropy increases. It amplifies the second law.

The analogy is the twin paradox. In this scenario each twin is boiling water, with boiling water increasing the entropy of the water. The twin that ages faster will boil more water thereby increasing universal entropy faster. The other twin who ages slower boils less water and thereby increases entropy, but not as much.

Since mass and gravity will contract space-time, this will slow time and causes the rate of entropy increase to slow compared to a standard reference without mass. This slowing of universal entropy increase, is still an increase, but slower. This drop in the rate of entropy can be compensated for, if the space between expands space-time, so the rate of entropy increase, can increase in these gaps.

In a sense gravity is causing the expansion of the space between galaxies, because the concentration of matter within the galaxies slows the second law, locally, in time and space. The expansion of space-time, if integrated with galaxy gravity, could balance this out so the rate of entropy increases can normalize. We called the connected energy dark energy.  Dark energy is connected to gravity.

If we have two masses M separated by a distance D, there is gravitational potential energy. If we make the two mass meet, this potential lowers. Where does the extra energy go to satisfy energy conservation? It goes into action and reaction, where the exothermic output from the mass contraction; galactic gravity, is reflected by rotations and space-time expansion, both of which increase the entropy rate elsewhere.