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If you are going to say something to me such as that we can have good meaning, love, joy, happiness, and inspiration through our way of thinking alone even while depressed and not in a good mood, then you have to prove to me how this is the actual mental state of having those things and not just the words and phrases of those things.
Even if they focused on the mental state of their thinking ... then they would be fooling themselves here as well since they are not in the actual mental state of having those things.
Quote from: Detective L RyuzakiEven if they focused on the mental state of their thinking ... then they would be fooling themselves here as well since they are not in the actual mental state of having those things.There have been experiments where getting people to imagine themselves in a particular mental state (eg stand up tall, and say to yourself 5 times "I am Powerful") actually gets people to change their behavior.So in some cases, you can change your mental state by just thinking about an alternative state.Someone who has something physically wrong with their eyes won't be able to eliminate that problem by just by imagining that it is gone. And there may be some people who have a biological imbalance that causes them to be depressed that may be similarly difficult to overcome.However, even if only 10% of people can change their mental state by imagining it, then it is still worth trying, because it then empowers that person. For those who don't respond to this therapy, there are drugs that can often help - but they do have side-effects.So I would say - talk to a counselor. Try imagining an alternative condition. It works for some people; if it works for you, a drug-free therapy is preferred.
Ok you want proof, your illness has already give you a meaning in life, the proof is right here, you have a meaning to try to find out about your illness, you have intent to cure it. You will be ''glad'' inside when you work it out although you might not show emotion. Emotions are a weak human perception. What you have to remember is happiness is not just all smiling and laughing, it comes in many forms. I am happy I am alive, I am happy I eat food, I am happy sitting here talking to you, am I smiling and laughing, of cause not, funny does not mean happiness, and smiling does not mean much at all except a facial expression.And one thing you must always remember, just because you do not feel love, that does not mean you do not experience it, remember that other people around you still feel quite well, so they can feel hurt unlike yourself. Consideration is the key, make your mind a logical robotic like machine, it works for me, use the logic to give yourself the answers.tell yourself just because I do not feel that does not make me logically unhappy.P.s This is science but belongs in the Physiology section. Can the mods move appropriately please
Quote from: TheboxOk you want proof, your illness has already give you a meaning in life, the proof is right here, you have a meaning to try to find out about your illness, you have intent to cure it. You will be ''glad'' inside when you work it out although you might not show emotion. Emotions are a weak human perception. What you have to remember is happiness is not just all smiling and laughing, it comes in many forms. I am happy I am alive, I am happy I eat food, I am happy sitting here talking to you, am I smiling and laughing, of cause not, funny does not mean happiness, and smiling does not mean much at all except a facial expression.And one thing you must always remember, just because you do not feel love, that does not mean you do not experience it, remember that other people around you still feel quite well, so they can feel hurt unlike yourself. Consideration is the key, make your mind a logical robotic like machine, it works for me, use the logic to give yourself the answers.tell yourself just because I do not feel that does not make me logically unhappy.P.s This is science but belongs in the Physiology section. Can the mods move appropriately pleaseThat is not actually good meaning. I would be doing nothing more than preferring to talk about my depression and getting help. I would still have no good meaning, happiness, love, joy, or inspiration. If I told myself I have those things, then that would just be nothing more than the words and phrases of those things. Not the actual mental state of having them. So for that very reason, being a logical biological robot is utterly inferior, "dead" and "nothing." It is only our good moods that make us "human" and "alive."
You recognise the difference yourself by putting human and alive in quotation brackets, your logic is already telling you that you are human and certainly are alive, listen to yourself, stop talking as if in a sermon, This repeated sentence by yourself - ''I would still have no good meaning, happiness, love, joy, or inspiration.'' is logically your trigger that is holding you in the place where you are at. Imagine sitting at a crossroads , we will call this the cross roads of life, we have four directions we can take, firstly we travel the north direction, travel through time to find a locked gate where it transports us back to the cross roads, we start again and take the easterly path, again we find a locked gate and are transported back to the crossroads. we try again the south path, again the same thing happens the gate is locked and we are transported back to the cross roads.We sit and stare at the west path, exhausted and confused why other people seem to find an open gate, we are scared to travel the final path, our existence time left is down to a solitary path. Do we sit and stare at the path in fear of wasting our precious time left, or do we never give up and die trying?Stuck in limbo is not defeat, it is a logical stalemate. Have you made it in life?have you tried and tried again in love and work etc and always failed to make an impact?I want to give you a song to keep and to listen to and read.//www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYGLrJhhbqM [nofollow]and also hear this message. (swearing in this video)//www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5MWCnKeH2s [nofollow]
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Quote from: chris on 02/10/2015 15:54:51PLEASE EDIT / REFORMAT THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD TO TURN IT INTO A RELEVANT QUESTION, IN LINE WITH THE USER AGREEMENT SIGNED AT REGISTRATION AND AS THE THREAD TITLE INPUT BOX REQUESTS. THREADS NOT CORRECTLY TITLED WILL BE DELETED.THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATIONI think the opp is asking,if a chemical unbalance of the body causes a depression state , where the mind does not detect emotional rewards, can a person still conceive their life still has purpose and meaning. Can depressive medication ever be more than a placebo and replace this loss?
Quote from: Thebox on 02/10/2015 16:09:11Quote from: chris on 02/10/2015 15:54:51PLEASE EDIT / REFORMAT THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD TO TURN IT INTO A RELEVANT QUESTION, IN LINE WITH THE USER AGREEMENT SIGNED AT REGISTRATION AND AS THE THREAD TITLE INPUT BOX REQUESTS. THREADS NOT CORRECTLY TITLED WILL BE DELETED.THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATIONI think the opp is asking,if a chemical unbalance of the body causes a depression state , where the mind does not detect emotional rewards, can a person still conceive their life still has purpose and meaning. Can depressive medication ever be more than a placebo and replace this loss?Yes. My question is, is my theory right or wrong? If it is wrong, then you are going to have to prove it wrong. You cannot just say that we can have those things in our lives while depressed. You have to do what the last paragraph above says. You have to prove to me how that is the actual mental state of perceiving those things.
In case I ever have to live my life depressed,
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Quote from: Detective L Ryuzaki on 02/10/2015 18:07:37In case I ever have to live my life depressed, Suggesting you are not depressed and actually trolling. good bye
You need to phrase the title as a question. Like this: "Why is the sky blue?" / "What causes headaches?"
I never saw the greatness and good value/worth having depression
The optimum way to treat depression wth words would be to induce this state in the therapist, so he can relate in real time for a language transfer. Two people wearing the shock collar can communicate more accurately.