[acronym]

Dont chicken out and let these idiots ruin this forum that is vital for us. Make sure to remind everyone about the rules here and ban people like Gbolduev who posts and spams like a true jerk.

You're right johanstefansson. It's very strange how a once-useful forum has turned into something so cheap. I was never once (never will either) during my time here planning take the medical recommendations of some angry, illiterate, faux expert russian guy who I've never met and who tells people to take things that could kill them. The earth is round, not flat. I wouldn't buy things on infomercials either just because the host says they can perform miracles. My girlfriend pressured me to stop reading a long time ago, but I waited until now. My mistake. Thanks so much to everyone who has basic common sense and lives in reality, and who has helped over the past year. Like so many other great members here, this will be my final post.

While the forum proves useful in helping to highlight the condition for other sufferers who might stumble on it doing a www search so that they may realize they are not alone and many others share their distress and suffering, its only going to be useful for established members if it helps them to alleviate symptoms (dont get me wrong that it still good)...but for it to be truly of lasting benefit you want it to provide a cure of POIS. Did it do that for you prior to recently?
While the last few months have turned in a wild west on here, go back a few years and so many here were stumbling in the dark. Posting symptoms and asking others if they had them. Throwing up different theories and posting links to obscure medical conditions hoping others might think they were onto something. At least in the recent times there has been renewed hope and a number of very promising outcomes for some (or others in russian forum) on here. I think its very disappointing how things have played out recently with the personal attacks and I wish people would be allowed to present their cures/theories and simply be questioned/critiqued and not attacked. I'm all for kumardtr, Salvrs and Gbolduev staying on and posting their outcomes with the people they are treating (unfortunately it didn't turn out like that). I'm all different alternative treatment protocols if they provide a solution for anyone. Each one of us are capable of making up own minds on what protocol to trial and to investigate further what others are presenting. Take on board what you think is useful and ignore that which is you feel is just another dead-end.

[acronym]

Call me a cynical asshole, but I'm inclined to believe that your two weeks holiday play a bigger role in your recovery than you are prepared to admit. You almost partially admit this in one of the above paragraphs.

I recall someone else reporting alleviation of symptoms whilst on vacation and attributing it to altitude.
At risk of offending the Herminions & Herman himself,  I have to say I am very sceptical of Herman's alchemic recipes. Firstly because his earliest posts were very unclear, contradictory, and seem to evolve with the topics/remedies being discussed at the time; even allowing for the fact that english is not his native language.

I also recall someone stating that their symptoms were lessened by socializing, and during an extreme hangover. I personally experience the same, particularly with extreme hangover. I speculate that this is due to the fact that the with extreme hangover the body/mind drops its defences and simply gives in & the persistant, nagging, subconcious, racing train of thought is silenced. I also find that my symptoms are lessoned when sick or in pain. Pain especially. A lot of people that experience DP/DR cut themselves because it makes them feel better.

Just some thoughts. I am happy to take criticism/mockery.

* I agree with all the 3 points I left in your quote. I am in fact very interested in Herman's approach, but I too noticed his protocol has evolved while on here. As for the last 2, I have had my pois been alleviated when I have been on holidays....but not all holidays. Holidays when I was outdoors a lot, near the seaside or mountains is what have been the ones for me. simply being on holidays in a city visiting tourist destinations was not the same. Also I had a period when I was in great pain from a accident in which I damaged my legs. I noticed during this 2 week period my pois symptoms and allergies were lessened (not gone). I then went and saw a psychologist and had hypnotism (not specifically for pois but for CFS/chemical intolerances/food allergies/confidence). It helped somewhat (still disappointing though). During the periods I found some relief from listening to the hypnotism CD, I found I had to listen to it all the time. In the morning, in the evening, going to sleep at night. Maybe it was just the act of quietening and emptying my mind while listening to the hypnotism that simply did it and not the programmed message.

[CertainlyPOIS]

Dont chicken out and let these idiots ruin this forum that is vital for us. Make sure to remind everyone about the rules here and ban people like Gbolduev who posts and spams like a true jerk.

You're right johanstefansson. It's very strange how a once-useful forum has turned into something so cheap. I was never once (never will either) during my time here planning take the medical recommendations of some angry, illiterate, faux expert russian guy who I've never met and who tells people to take things that could kill them. The earth is round, not flat. I wouldn't buy things on infomercials either just because the host says they can perform miracles. My girlfriend pressured me to stop reading a long time ago, but I waited until now. My mistake. Thanks so much to everyone who has basic common sense and lives in reality, and who has helped over the past year. Like so many other great members here, this will be my final post.

While the forum proves useful in helping to highlight the condition for other sufferers who might stumble on it doing a www search so that they may realize they are not alone and many others share their distress and suffering, its only going to be useful for established members if it helps them to alleviate symptoms (dont get me wrong that it still good)...but for it to be truly of lasting benefit you want it to provide a cure of POIS. Did it do that for you prior to recently?
While the last few months have turned in a wild west on here, go back a few years and so many here were stumbling in the dark. Posting symptoms and asking others if they had them. Throwing up different theories and posting links to obscure medical conditions hoping others might think they were onto something. At least in the recent times there has been renewed hope and a number of very promising outcomes for some (or others in russian forum) on here. I think its very disappointing how things have played out recently with the personal attacks and I wish people would be allowed to present their cures/theories and simply be questioned/critiqued and not attacked. I'm all for kumardtr, Salvrs and Gbolduev staying on and posting their outcomes with the people they are treating (unfortunately it didn't turn out like that). I'm all different alternative treatment protocols if they provide a solution for anyone. Each one of us are capable of making up own minds on what protocol to trial and to investigate further what others are presenting. Take on board what you think is useful and ignore that which is you feel is just another dead-end.

Some have seen lasting cure, demo,daveman,observercenter,vandemolen,ergodon and others. The goal of research is to find lasting cure. Finding true lasting cure requires resources we dont have.

Working with herman through private messages might work for you. If you do all the test he requires and find abnormalities, fixing those abnormalities should not hurt.

Slavr and dr kumatdr will have stayed longer if they weren't ridiculed and attacked with every post they made. 

[Kima]

Helps to relieve symptoms Pois

Take a head of garlic and select it through the spadefoot, put the chopped garlic in a jar and pour back a glass of fresh flaxseed oil (cold pressed). Let composition infused throughout the day in the refrigerator. The next day, take a lemon and rub it on the grater (I cut through and let the blender). Mix with the infusion of garlic. Take half an hour before meals three times a day, one teaspoon.

[B_Daniel]

hi im been following this forum for quite a while and it saddens me what's been happening lately
we should work together not fighting. "or fight but nicely hehe"

anyway i wanna share whats im taking now for copper toxcity:
zinc
molybdenum
vitamin c
manganese
calcium - magnesium
selenium
b5
probiotics with colostrum
i also drink burdock root tea twice daily


i've been taken this supplement since 2 month and i've seen gradual improvement in my health and how long pois lasts also i've been suffering from fungal infections for years which stopped

and im wondering whats Herman though on molybdenum since it chelates and help remove copper? or is vitamin c enough?
thanks

Herman just saw this and wanted me to pass along his thoughts on it.  He says he's reading less of the forum these days and will soon stop completely.  However he's glad he was able to help some people along the way. 

This is from Herman:

Yes, molybdenum is particularly helpful if one’s hair sodium/potassium ratio is low.   But molybdenum is slightly toxic, so it is not the preferred method to deal with copper elimination.

You can use it, if you want, but beware that  Eck tested it to be sightly toxic and usually it is not included  in the  programs.   

It's very important to add that it is dangerous to chelate copper if you dont know your body chemistry - Because POIS results from both high and low copper.  MOST people are copper toxic.... but I've found that 30% of people are copper deficient.  If you're copper deficient and take zinc or molybdenum you could seriously harm yourself. 

Here's a quote from Wilson about all this:
"Zinc is often used to correct high copper....Molybdenum, another copper antagonist and chelator, raises sodium and is somewhat toxic and best avoided in most cases.  Vitamin C, when used in high doses, tends to cause other  imbalances because it removes many other metals besides copper."

Each vitamin and mineral affects overall body chemistry.   For best results, I strongly recommend an integrated nutrition, lifestyle and detoxification program based on a properly performed and interpreted hair mineral analysis.  It is worth the extra time, cost and energy to get better results.

Remember, if you use ARL and a practitioner they will get you on the right path to getting better.  You don't need me to do this, I just tried to explain these things to help.

Best of luck to you.

[gondal4]

Hello, I am new to this forum, but I have been following it  for sometime.   I  tend to agree with  some people here and I  am 100% sure that  high histamine levels are the  cause of the  problem. Now, the big  question  is how you deal with it. Trust me, nothing will help you  on a longer term basis  if you are going to look for a magic pill or  a shot of  adrenaline or  a calcium blocker( by the way worst thing you can do). This is systematic  problem of your body.  Almost in 90% of all cases   this is  a problem related to copper imbalance.  Copper deficiency , which can be caused by  many factors  will lead to  increase in  Ferritin ( if you are a male  I am very sure your ferritin level  is  higher than normal), which  will cause inflammation and higher histamine.  You will have low  manganese which in turn will lower your dopamine levels.  High copper  low histamine , low copper  high histamine.   Low adrenals = low ceruplasmin = low copper bound and high  biounavailable or toxic copper, which in turn causes  hyper thyrodism and  lowers adrenal even more.    You need to take  manganese 30 mg a day ,  50 mg zinc  and 3 mg  copper,  also 1gr  vitamin  C, B5.   It will automatically  fix your  na/k ratio in your cell and take care of calcium  problem. Also  buy  open  water.  It is the water with the  different angle in the molecule and that will take care of your candida problems , since  no copper  say hello to candida.


I have low adrenals or adrenal exhaustion someone please help me ,accorind to this theory do i need zinc or avoid it?

[gondal4]

and can any one suggest me  good lab who do reliable hair testing

[ricky79]

Remember, if you use ARL and a practitioner they will get you on the right path to getting better.  You don't need me to do this, I just tried to explain these things to help.

Hi,

Does anybody know what to request to ARL in order to make the balancing of the minerals?
Has anybody already tried doing it with some ARL practitioner?
Do you know if it is very expensive?
I couldn't find this information in their web site.

Best regards

[RD]

That quackwatch article ... provided pretty convincing evidence against hair testing

But not convincing enough to deter you from suggesting "Dr Wilson" / Analytical Research Laboratories (ARL) hair-testing to people  ....

Here's a quote from Wilson ...

... if you use ARL and a practitioner they will get you on the right path to getting better. 

[Over it]

Helps to relieve symptoms Pois

Take a head of garlic and select it through the spadefoot, put the chopped garlic in a jar and pour back a glass of fresh flaxseed oil (cold pressed). Let composition infused throughout the day in the refrigerator. The next day, take a lemon and rub it on the grater (I cut through and let the blender). Mix with the infusion of garlic. Take half an hour before meals three times a day, one teaspoon.

I've found this also helps to relieve POIS symptoms:

Prepare a carrot jullienne style, mix it with fair-trade coffee from the 5000th foot of Guatemala, rub it on head, spin around twice & insert into rectum. It's kind of like a coffee enema but with a carotene twist.

This post reminds me of a superstitious pigeon in a Skinner box.

[B_Daniel]

That quackwatch article ... provided pretty convincing evidence against hair testing

Yes, I like to acknowledge the counter-point at times.  Would you prefer I were more like Gbolduev instead?

We must frustrate the heck out of you.  Yet you read on

[RD]

... Yet you read on

No I don't read this thread, [ it's unreadable ] , I just occasionally look at "View the most recent posts on the forum", and post here when I see something particular egregious.

[observercenter]

Hello (Or I should say hola? ), where are you from, bombero?, Are you from Spain? I used to participate more frequently in this forum, I have been suffering POIS since I was 18, now I'm 27 and niacin blocks my POIS completely so I'm a new man since 2 years ago... Best regards

[bombero]

Hello (Or I should say hola? ), where are you from, bombero?, Are you from Spain? I used to participate more frequently in this forum, I have been suffering POIS since I was 18, now I'm 27 and niacin blocks my POIS completely so I'm a new man since 2 years ago... Best regards

Hello.  Actually I'm from Ukraine. Picked up this nickname when I was learning Spanish). I got my pois when I was on a raw vegan diet 2 years ago. I hope Herman's method and liver flushes will help.

[acronym]

Hello (Or I should say hola? ), where are you from, bombero?, Are you from Spain? I used to participate more frequently in this forum, I have been suffering POIS since I was 18, now I'm 27 and niacin blocks my POIS completely so I'm a new man since 2 years ago... Best regards

Hello.  Actually I'm from Ukraine. Picked up this nickname when I was learning Spanish). I got my pois when I was on a raw vegan diet 2 years ago. I hope Herman's method and liver flushes will help.

Interesting. I'm always intrigued when I read how someone got pois, and it wasn't through puberty like most of us. It would seem like you upset your biology going vegan. I have some questions for you bombero.
* How long after you switched to vegan diet did you start to notice the pois symptoms?
* At the time were you having lots of Os each week or under a lot of emotional stress or training hard?
* Did you also skip diary and eggs?
* In hindsight do you think your diet was lacking in say... protein, Vit B12, Vit D, fats & oils, iron, or whatever?
* did you try switch back to meat to see if it helped?

[LAPOISSE2]

Hello (Or I should say hola? ), where are you from, bombero?, Are you from Spain? I used to participate more frequently in this forum, I have been suffering POIS since I was 18, now I'm 27 and niacin blocks my POIS completely so I'm a new man since 2 years ago... Best regards

Hello.  Actually I'm from Ukraine. Picked up this nickname when I was learning Spanish). I got my pois when I was on a raw vegan diet 2 years ago. I hope Herman's method and liver flushes will help.

Never heard about this cause for POIS ; there is a kind of poll in the other forum that show that vegan diet seems not to be a marker of POIS community.

Nevertheless, no protein diet is linked to zinc deficiency which could point copper overload.

[bombero]

When it started I was 3.5 years on strict raw vegan diet. It means no milk, no eggs, no fish, no anything except raw(uncooked) fruits, vegetables, nuts etc. And I wasn't supplementing anything. Apart from pois (which was triggered not only by Os but also by physical activity such as even light sports) I had other issues such as styes on eyes, digestion problems, constant fatigue etc.

I switched to a "normal" diet shortly (1.5 years ago), my overall condition and pois symptoms got better but hadn't disappeared completely.

[B_Daniel]

i'm gonna take a 4 week break and clear my mind a bit.  I've been checking this forum 3 times a day lately which just isn't healthy for me.  If I discover anything I'll let ya'll know for sure.  Send me a PM if you need anything  Goodluck gentleman (and ladies).  Ttyl

[MrVat7]

Hi, i think i am suffering from POIS..I am a 17 year old guy and after every time i ejaculate i feel a subsequent cognitive decline which follows me for 4-5 days..during that time i find difficulty in talking, reading, walking, remembering new things and even recalling things..i am studying in highschool and i need to remember a lot of information for my board examination and it is this after i ejaculate my brain gets out of order ..can anyone help me out?

[meteo74]

Hi Suffering...

just stop ejaculation until we get atreatment.