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Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)

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Re: Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)
« Reply #80 on: 08/09/2017 09:28:58 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 07/09/2017 22:27:10
You still don't know what the argument from ignorance is, do you?

Yes, climate change is argument from ignorance. Now please carry on and accept the hypothesis that superhurricanes are potentially caused by man-made geoengineering.
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Re: Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)
« Reply #81 on: 08/09/2017 16:41:05 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 08/09/2017 09:28:58
Yes, climate change is argument from ignorance.

Just as I thought, you don't understand what it means.

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Now please carry on and accept the hypothesis that superhurricanes are potentially caused by man-made geoengineering.

"Potentially"? That doesn't sound very confident of you.
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Re: Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)
« Reply #82 on: 08/09/2017 18:34:23 »

Quote from: tkadm30 on 07/09/2017 22:03:51
Nothing wrong with my "weather tech theory", unless your belief in climate change can explain the recent hurricanes intensification!
The original question here is not whether climate change causes hurricane intensification, but whether artificial heating of the ionosphere can.
Currently you have not provided any evidence of a connection between the elf in the ionosphere and hurricanes.
Hurricanes exist in the troposphere and reach a height of around 12-16km. The ionosphere lies between 75 and 1000km. Any artificial heating or modification of the ionosphere would be reduced by inverse square law to minuscule levels by the time it reached the hurricane.

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Re: Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)
« Reply #83 on: 08/09/2017 19:02:48 »
Quote from: Colin2B on 08/09/2017 18:34:23
Any artificial heating or modification of the ionosphere would be reduced by inverse square law to minuscule levels by the time it reached the hurricane.

Citation needed.

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Re: Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)
« Reply #84 on: 08/09/2017 19:23:00 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 08/09/2017 19:02:48
Citation needed.

Oh, the irony!
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Re: Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)
« Reply #85 on: 08/09/2017 19:49:27 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 08/09/2017 19:23:00
Quote from: tkadm30 on 08/09/2017 19:02:48
Citation needed.

Oh, the irony!

You just don't understand that the fabrication of climate change theory is to justify the weaponization of weather modification technology. Meanwhile, I still expecting an intelligent explanation to the question: "How climate change may cause hurricanes intensity changes and enhanced rainfall"?
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Re: Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)
« Reply #86 on: 08/09/2017 20:06:27 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 08/09/2017 19:49:27
You just don't understand that the fabrication of climate change theory...

Okay, so now you think there is a worldwide conspiracy to falsify global temperature data...

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...is to justify the weaponization of weather modification technology.

...in addition to a conspiracy to secretly control the weather. You also think there is a conspiracy to use smartphones  to read our minds. Why should we believe you when you cry "conspiracy" about anything?

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Meanwhile, I still expecting an intelligent explanation to the question: "How climate change may cause hurricanes intensity changes and enhanced rainfall"?

An elementary school student could answer that question. Warmer oceans cause increased evaporation of water, putting more moisture and latent heat energy into the atmosphere. It's basic physics. Unless you think physics is a conspiracy too? Like I've said before, even if we did not have the climate change explanation, that wouldn't mean that geoengineering is the correct explanation. This isn't an "either/or" scenario. That's a false dichotomy. It could have turned out that both climate change and geoengineering were the wrong explanation. This is why you cannot say "climate change is a hoax, therefore stronger hurricanes are caused by technology". That's the argument from ignorance fallacy. Failure for your opponent to support their argument is not evidence that your argument is the correct one. Both sides have to provide their own independent evidence.
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Re: Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)
« Reply #87 on: 08/09/2017 22:54:08 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 08/09/2017 19:02:48
Quote from: Colin2B on 08/09/2017 18:34:23
Any artificial heating or modification of the ionosphere would be reduced by inverse square law to minuscule levels by the time it reached the hurricane.

Citation needed.
Do you seriously not own any basic physics textbooks! Or do you just not understand basic physics?
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Re: Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)
« Reply #88 on: 09/09/2017 08:30:20 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 08/09/2017 20:06:27
An elementary school student could answer that question.

I challenge you to ask a elementary school student to provide a scientifically valid answer. The reality is that kids are more vulnerable to brainwashing. I'm thinking there's a lot of brainwashing elements surrounding the role of "climate change" in the development of Hurricanes Harvey and Irma.

 
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Re: Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)
« Reply #89 on: 09/09/2017 08:35:45 »
Quote from: Colin2B on 08/09/2017 22:54:08
Do you seriously not own any basic physics textbooks! Or do you just not understand basic physics?

Is it the same textbook that will deny or ignore any clandestine geoengineering activity on top of my home?

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Re: Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)
« Reply #90 on: 09/09/2017 13:30:32 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 07/09/2017 20:04:48
Quote from: Bored chemist on 07/09/2017 19:24:17
Lots f pretty pictures. But they look like hurricanes always did.
So what's the evidence that this one is in any way "special"?


If a superhurricane is the signature of climate change, something is terribly wrong with this theory.

OK, first off, you forgot to answer the question.
"So what's the evidence that this one is in any way "special"?"


Secondly, re. "If a superhurricane is the signature of climate change, something is terribly wrong with this theory." that's a big  "if".
Weather is fundamentally driven  by the Sun's heat.
Coupling more of the Sun's IR into the atmosphere by adding more CO2 which absorbs that energy will produce more severe weather.
So we would expect to see more  big hurricanes.

We have more CO2.
We have more big storms.

What's wrong with the theory?
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Re: Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)
« Reply #91 on: 09/09/2017 14:02:52 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 09/09/2017 08:35:45
Is it the same textbook that will deny or ignore any clandestine geoengineering activity on top of my home?
None of them deny clandestine geoengineering. Neither do they deny existence of Bigfoot or clandestine neuroprobing etc. The clue is in the title 'Physics textbook', they discuss physics. However, as you don't seem inclined to discuss physics. I'm out.
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Re: Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)
« Reply #92 on: 09/09/2017 14:16:18 »
Hey tk it must be your hero Trump modifying the weather so he can get some more hurricane damage insurance. Last time it was allegedly a scam so this time he has to get real evidence. He has had to drop the sale price of his Caribbean property so what better way to get the price he wants? So maybe you are the disinformation guy providing the smokescreen for the Trump machine.
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Re: Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)
« Reply #93 on: 09/09/2017 16:29:08 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 09/09/2017 08:30:20
I challenge you to ask a elementary school student to provide a scientifically valid answer.

Go watch the show "Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader?" You'd be impressed at how much science they know.

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The reality is that kids are more vulnerable to brainwashing.

Do you have any idea how long the concepts of the water cycle and thermodynamics have been around or taught in schools? Don't tell me that you think those concepts were invented by conspirators in anticipation of a future where secret forces are controlling the weather.

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I'm thinking there's a lot of brainwashing elements surrounding the role of "climate change" in the development of Hurricanes Harvey and Irma.

You can think whatever you want to, just don't expect others to agree with you without good evidence.
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Re: Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)
« Reply #94 on: 09/09/2017 18:53:41 »
Quote from: jeffreyH on 09/09/2017 14:16:18
Hey tk it must be your hero Trump modifying the weather so he can get some more hurricane damage insurance. Last time it was allegedly a scam so this time he has to get real evidence. He has had to drop the sale price of his Caribbean property so what better way to get the price he wants? So maybe you are the disinformation guy providing the smokescreen for the Trump machine.

Nice one jeffrey...
If 1 out of 100 people can think independently and freely, how absurd is the idea to try to persuade him with fabricated nonsense about Trump. I don't hate Trump, I'm just glad democracy worked this time.
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Re: Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)
« Reply #95 on: 09/09/2017 18:57:53 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 09/09/2017 16:29:08
You can think whatever you want to, just don't expect others to agree with you without good evidence.

What do you think the purpose of my initial post is?
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Re: Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)
« Reply #96 on: 09/09/2017 19:50:28 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 09/09/2017 18:57:53
What do you think the purpose of my initial post is?

To get us to accept an extraordinary claim without extraordinary evidence to back it up. It seems to be a running theme with your topics.
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Re: Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)
« Reply #97 on: 09/09/2017 20:00:34 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 09/09/2017 19:50:28
To get us to accept an extraordinary claim without extraordinary evidence to back it up. It seems to be a running theme with your topics.

lol....


no. :)

The true purpose of this post is education and information.

People volition will decide what is the truth.

The primary objective is purely educational and informational.

« Last Edit: 09/09/2017 20:10:52 by smart »
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Re: Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)
« Reply #98 on: 09/09/2017 20:33:09 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 09/09/2017 20:00:34
lol....


no. :)

The true purpose of this post is education and information.

People volition will decide what is the truth.

The primary objective is purely educational and informational.

You would think that step number one for educating someone about any topic would be to make sure that the information presented is accurate. You certainly haven't done that. You have done nothing to verify the accuracy of your claims that HAARP can control hurricanes or that Hurricane Harvey specifically was modified by HAARP.
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Re: Is Hurricane Harvey evidence of geoengineering? (NO, IT ISN'T!)
« Reply #99 on: 09/09/2017 20:45:35 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 09/09/2017 20:33:09
You would think that step number one for educating someone about any topic would be to make sure that the information presented is accurate. You certainly haven't done that. You have done nothing to verify the accuracy of your claims that HAARP can control hurricanes or that Hurricane Harvey specifically was modified by HAARP.

lol..

This is a unverifiable claim not supported by evidences.

Please note:

1. I do not claim that Hurricane Harvey and Irma are specifically modified by HAARP.
2. I only request intelligent feedback on the potential role of directed ionospheric heating in hurricane intensification.


Thank you
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