[CliveG]

Note a couple of cases that recovered have again tested positive. Uh oh.

I doubt it is a mutation this early in the game but with the mutant enhancing properties of cell microwave it just might be.

And the virus spreading in people without symptoms, and then something triggers the sudden growth in person.

How about if the virus is resident and spread without symptoms and then is triggered by exposure to cell phone radiation. Is my sci-fi so irrational and unbelievable?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Andromeda_Strain_(film)
Meanwhile, the team realizes that the alien microbe would thrive on the energy of a nuclear explosion and would consequently be transformed into a supercolony that could destroy all life on Earth.

[Bored chemist]

And the virus spreading in people without symptoms

Do you think  that's unusual, or are you aware that some people don't get every cold that does the rounds?

mutant enhancing properties of cell microwave

Is that the plot of some sci fi film?
Viruses don't need help to mutate.

Is my sci-fi so irrational and unbelievable?

Yes, because it lacks a plausible mechanism

[Bored chemist]

Meanwhile, the team realizes that the alien microbe would thrive on the energy of a nuclear explosion and would consequently be transformed into a supercolony that could destroy all life on Earth.

You have mistaken a nuclear bomb for a mobile phone.

Is there a grown-up who helps you with this sort of thing?

[alancalverd]

God may have permitted that by limiting natural disasters

Of course! The Ice Age, the Black Death, and the destruction of Pompeii, were all due to Man's disobedience in erecting microwave towers, not by God's faulty construction of the universe.

The idea that homo sapiens "flourished" for 10,000 years doesn't quite gel with the population statistics.

[CliveG]

And the virus spreading in people without symptoms

Do you think  that's unusual, or are you aware that some people don't get every cold that does the rounds?

mutant enhancing properties of cell microwave

Is that the plot of some sci fi film?
Viruses don't need help to mutate.

Is my sci-fi so irrational and unbelievable?

Yes, because it lacks a plausible mechanism

Viruses can have animal reservoirs that carry the virus in a symptom-less manner. This means that the virus has an equilibrium state where it replicates and lives without excessive damage to the host. When the virus mutates in order to jump species, the new host (humankind) typically has no defense and often the effects are quite damaging and have a high mortality. But killing off too fast is self-limiting to the aggressive versions (except when carried by Spanish invaders who can keep spreading the bad stuff) and hence a balance is established. One can read this in the book I recommended "Pandemics Progress".

The worst virus is one that is slow so can spread but is also deadly. AIDS is one such virus. SA has huge number of people who are infected. They are probably at risk for this new COVID-19. We are also saturated in cell towers, if that is a needed factor.

With flu, people have immunity once they get it, and may have partial immunity to a different strain (mutation). The flu virus is mutating a lot in the last few years (the same years of massive increases in cell phones and other environmental toxins). H1N1 now has a variety of digits.

The corona virus has proteins that attach to the membrane of a cell. They need to penetrate the cell, and their surface protein is the key. If the cell is not fully functional then penetration is made easier. This is where the cell-phone microwave does its part. The voltage gated proteins that control calcium, sodium and potassium are affected by pulsed microwave and are not fully functional. They are the cells that are attacked by the corona virus. They are all cells - nerves, muscles, tissue, marrow and so on.

Now how do I know that cell microwave causes problems in people who have an underlying condition? Because of first hand experience over the last 18 months. Headaches, stomach upsets, knee pain - all were made worse by exposure to high levels (by natural standards and not legal standards) of cell radiation.

So the corona virus could be in equilibrium in people in undetectable amounts, but enough to pass on. If exposed to excessive radiation for a little while, which is happening in hi-tech centers, the cells are weakened and then the corona virus can multiply and damage the host. If the host recovers the situation goes back to equilibrium and waits for the next burst of high radiation to reactivate.

And all the time the cell-radiation is assisting in causing mutations in the virus. This virus may be such that a vaccine is problematic.

I am writing from memory so I stand to be corrected on some details but the basic scenario should be the same.

In direct answer. Mutations happen all the time. The rate of mutation depends on stressors. Cell-phone radiation is scientifically proven to be a powerful one. I have given you the scientific reasoning for the mechanism. You can reject it but it is very plausible.

[CliveG]

God may have permitted that by limiting natural disasters

Of course! The Ice Age, the Black Death, and the destruction of Pompeii, were all due to Man's disobedience in erecting microwave towers, not by God's faulty construction of the universe.

The idea that homo sapiens "flourished" for 10,000 years doesn't quite gel with the population statistics.

None of those disasters resulted in the extinction of humankind. God may have limited anything that would. Why is the presence of evil and suffering an imperfect universe? You have your idea of perfection but I can tell you humankind would be lazy and get nowhere. The current "game" has permitted the evolution of a fantastic creature with both intelligence and athletic prowess. A Japanese sword is made by bending and folding and hammering over and over to get a perfect grain. The stressors on human evolution do something similar.

Your "less than perfect" argument is a straw man. We are entertaining an Ultimate Intelligence and God is in the game as a force for good. The religions know this and know the rules. They benefit. Atheism as an evolutionary advantage has yet to prove itself. I predict it will not serve its adherents well in the coming crisis and will be relegated to history.

[Bored chemist]

Now how do I know that cell microwave causes problems in people who have an underlying condition? Because of first hand experience over the last 18 months. Headaches, stomach upsets, knee pain - all were made worse by exposure to high levels (by natural standards and not legal standards) of cell radiation.

Is there a name for this specific  mental health problem?

The one where you can function as a normal human being, read, write, hold down a job etc.

But still not be able to understand that an anecdote is not the same as proof.

[Bored chemist]

I am writing from memory so I stand to be corrected on some details

And all the time the cell-radiation is assisting in causing mutations in the virus.

Viruses don't need help to mutate.

Your memory is frighteningly poor.
I suggest you seek urgent medical help.

[CliveG]

I am writing from memory so I stand to be corrected on some details

And all the time the cell-radiation is assisting in causing mutations in the virus.

Viruses don't need help to mutate.

Your memory is frighteningly poor.
I suggest you seek urgent medical help.

This bit of strange logic makes me wonder about your state of mind. A real non-sequitur.

Remember what I said about a poster using insults instead of debating the issues?

[CliveG]

Now how do I know that cell microwave causes problems in people who have an underlying condition? Because of first hand experience over the last 18 months. Headaches, stomach upsets, knee pain - all were made worse by exposure to high levels (by natural standards and not legal standards) of cell radiation.

Is there a name for this specific  mental health problem?

The one where you can function as a normal human being, read, write, hold down a job etc.

But still not be able to understand that an anecdote is not the same as proof.

The name of this thread is can science prove God exists. Since God (and the Ultimate Intelligence) does not want scientific proof then it will not happen. But the hints can get quite convincing. Let us say that I am right about the corona virus and microwaves. I am possibly already right about predicting a coming die-off. Would that seem like I got divine inspiration (a message)?

When the scientists scramble for answers and people are dying and the world goes into panic mode, an anecdote that might have some answers seems better than none. Especially when so many people do believe that God works in such ways.

[CliveG]

Here is how to check on the mechanism. Do a google search for "corona virus mechanism of action"

Note two points in the first. Calcium and pH. The cell microwave interferes with both. Your turn BC.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3397359/ (2012)

...Coronaviruses are able to exploit many cell surface molecules—proteins and carbohydrates alike—in order to gain entry into target cells. Host calcium dependent (C-type) lectins have been recognized to play a role in infection by SARS-CoV, IBV, and FCoV.

...Over time, coronaviruses have modified their spike proteins, leading to the diversity of triggers used to activate their fusion. These conformational changes can be initiated by receptor binding but may need additional triggers such as pH acidification or proteolytic activation. The mechanisms of coronavirus entry are complex and differ between coronavirus species and strains.

...The large size and replication strategy of the coronavirus genome also allows for frequent homologous recombination, a process that enables exchange of genetic material during co-infection. Persistent infection leads to the accumulation of adaptive mutations. The consequences of coronavirus species barrier jumping can be devastating and result in severe disease and mortality, as exemplified by the SARS outbreak. The spike protein is the major determinant of coronaviruses tropism. Modification of the spike can alter cell and tissue tropism and, in some cases, in association with other viral and host factors, may lead to change of virus pathogenicity. Zoonoses constitute a real risk for human health. In the past, coronaviruses have often demonstrated their propensity to infect new hosts, highlighting the capacity for viral evolution and the need for surveillance. Great progress has been made in the understanding of spike protein functions, however it remains impossible to predict the effect of mutations that a virus might acquire.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4369385/ is more recent (2015)

...Owing to the lack of effective therapeutics or vaccines, the best measures to control human coronaviruses remain a strong public health surveillance system coupled with rapid diagnostic testing and quarantine when necessary. For international outbreaks, cooperation of governmental entities, public health authorities and health care providers is critical. During veterinary outbreaks that are readily transmitted, such as PEDV, more drastic measures such as destruction of entire herds of pigs may be necessary to prevent transmission of these deadly viruses.

[Bored chemist]

Remember what I said about a poster using insults instead of debating the issues?

Pointing out that you had forgotten what I told you about 12 hours earlier is not an insult, it's advice; go and seek medical help.

Note two points in the first. Calcium and pH. The cell microwave interferes with both. Your turn BC.

No
It's not my turn unless  you can actually show that what you said is true.
So where's the proof of this claim?

The cell microwave interferes with both.

[alancalverd]

The stressors on human evolution do something similar.

An omniscient, omnipotent being would not  mess about with evolution - he would go straight to the ultimate product. Thus your god is either not omnipotent and omniscient, in which case he is not worth inventing, let alone worshipping, or he is reprehensible.

[alancalverd]

So you think the general populace and the rulers of countries up until 1900 were aware of what the Jewish teachings were and what the rituals were all about?

Your ignorance is not evidence of my secrecy. My neighbour is a Hindu. I can't read his sacred texts nor do I know what he does about them, and it's none of my damn business anyway. 

[CliveG]

The stressors on human evolution do something similar.

An omniscient, omnipotent being would not  mess about with evolution - he would go straight to the ultimate product. Thus your god is either not omnipotent and omniscient, in which case he is not worth inventing, let alone worshipping, or he is reprehensible.

If you were given the choice of doing a painting/sculpture/work of art or just snapping your fingers and getting instant results - which choice would you make if you were an artist? If you went to a movie theater to see a murder mystery and they screened "The butler did it with the knife in the kitchen", would you feel you missed out on experiencing the movie?

Let us say that your imagined omniscient, omnipotent God could just jump to the finished perfect product - what then? Boredom! Lumps of tissue without feeling or emotion or history.

You miss the point about God being a part of the dream of the Ultimate Intelligence. Almost omniscient and omnipotent, but not quite. Enough not to disturb the worship of the major religions, but having to follow the rules set by the Ultimate Intelligence. Do good, hint about your presence, but do not give absolute proof. Let the laws of physics have precedence. Fight Satan and evil.

The story of the Universe, God, Satan and Humankind is incredibly entertaining. That is what it is. An illusion as "real" as any movie. You can knock religion as much as you want but it will not change the Ultimate Truth - which is something I think (for good reason) I have had an insight into. The problem is that you have to assess my hypothesis on the basis of my credibility and how well my hypothesis fits not only science facts but religious and spiritual facts - namely the entire package of human experience and not a narrow artificial definition designed to support the anti-theism of a group of people.

[Bored chemist]

If you were given the choice of doing a painting/sculpture/work of art or just snapping your fingers and getting instant results - which choice would you make if you were an artist?

Who cares what choice I would make?
I'm not an all powerful, everlasting God.

Things like boredom only apply to mortals.

[CliveG]

So you think the general populace and the rulers of countries up until 1900 were aware of what the Jewish teachings were and what the rituals were all about?

Your ignorance is not evidence of my secrecy. My neighbour is a Hindu. I can't read his sacred texts nor do I know what he does about them, and it's none of my damn business anyway.

Judaism is the only religion that I know that is reluctant to tell people what they believe and how their religion guides their daily lives. Ask your Hindu neighbour. No doubt he will take pride in explaining in detail why his beliefs are and what his rituals are and why they are. Same with other religions. They are happy to have converts because they believe their beliefs are universal.

The hidden side of Judaism is that the Jewish beliefs see the world as Jew and non-Jew. Here is an extreme example but one few know about. Can you imagine the public outrage if it was anyone else?

The Times of Israel reported on problematic quotes from Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, who died at 93, and was a revered halachic scholar. He was also the Sephardi Chief Rabbi of Israel from 1973 to 1983 and the founder and long-time spiritual leader of Israel's ultra-Orthodox Shas party. His funeral in Jerusalem was the largest in Israel's history, with an estimated attendance of 850,000. Yet he was recorded as saying in sermons:

Year 2000 (the Holocaust): “The six million Holocaust victims were reincarnations of the souls of sinners, people who transgressed and did all sorts of things which should not be done. They had been reincarnated in order to atone.”

Year 2010 (Gentiles): “Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.”

Year 2000 (regarding peace with Arabs): “How can you make peace with a snake?...Those evildoers, the Arabs — it says in the Gemara (Talmud) that God is sorry he ever created those sons of Ishmael.”

Year 2009 (regarding Muslims): “They’re stupid. Their religion is as ugly as they are.”

Is Orthodox Judaism an errant sect or does it represent the true values of Judaism? Are these values only for the Jewish faithful and are kept out of sight of non-Jews? Are his quotes representative of the basic religious values? Or are they seen as the personal musings of an old man?

Once more, I think that the biggest update required of Judaism is universality. Put aside the "us and them". I cannot see it happening except in a time of extreme crisis. Perhaps it is one of the outcomes God wants to see with a global die-off.

[CliveG]

If you were given the choice of doing a painting/sculpture/work of art or just snapping your fingers and getting instant results - which choice would you make if you were an artist?

Who cares what choice I would make?
I'm not an all powerful, everlasting God.

Things like boredom only apply to mortals.

For a mortal you seem to know a lot about God and gods and vastly superior beings. How?

I was in the mind of the Ultimate Intelligence and that is how I know it was bored.

[CliveG]

(snip)
So where's the proof of this claim?

The cell microwave interferes with both.

Tomorrow. It is late and past my bedtime.

[alancalverd]

The hidden side of Judaism is that the Jewish beliefs see the world as Jew and non-Jew.

Nonstandard meaning of "hidden", I think. It's as overt as Christian and heathen, or muslim and infidel. Or Arsenal (red shirts) and  visitors.

The outstanding aspect of Judaism is that it does not seek to convert or exterminate people of other faiths. "By their deeds shall ye know them" was said by the most famous Jew of all time.

You can probably trace your family back a few generations. Whilst many of the paper records have been destroyed, my maternal DNA irrevocably links me with (almost*) every other Jew that ever lived, regardless of his belief or none, so scientifically speaking you are either in or out of the tribe.

*The few genuine converts include Sammy Davis Jr and Nelson Mandela, neither of whom was under any pressure to join but both were welcomed.