[alancalverd]

BTW - The realtor was quite worried about the effect of the corona virus on house sales. He hoped it would be short-lived - 3 months or less.

Really? Or was he worried about the effect of falling rates of house sale, or falling prices, on his commission?

In almost every survey of public trust in professionals, realtors score just above politicians and below journalists.

[CliveG]

BTW - The realtor was quite worried about the effect of the corona virus on house sales. He hoped it would be short-lived - 3 months or less.

Really? Or was he worried about the effect of falling rates of house sale, or falling prices, on his commission?

In almost every survey of public trust in professionals, realtors score just above politicians and below journalists.

The housing market here is very bad. We know of two realtors who have not made a sale in a year. In our area one of the major reasons for selling is that the owners are emigrating. We have already knocked the realtors commission down. They must also take some of the hit.

The Tarot cards tell me that the agents are pressuring both parties in order to get the sale. Yes, no revelation there but it does confirm that we have to put up with the "maneuvering".

I have tried twice to buy surgical masks. They are sold out everywhere. My wife today started buying long-lasting food items such as baked beans and pasta. When the rush hits, it is too late.

[Bored chemist]

If spirit communication happens then God exists.

And, because God refuses to prove that He exists, or to allow any such proof- it follows that spirit communication doesn't happen.
I already pointed that out.

[alancalverd]

If spirit communication happens then God exists.

Non sequitur.

[CliveG]

If spirit communication happens then God exists.

And, because God refuses to prove that He exists, or to allow any such proof- it follows that spirit communication doesn't happen.
I already pointed that out.

Finally. You agree that God refuses to prove that he exists. We are making progress.

But with spirit communication being mostly anecdotal then the rule is not broken because you say it is not proof.

[CliveG]

If spirit communication happens then God exists.

Non sequitur.

Sort of a non-sequitur, yes. I thought that when I wrote it. But spirit communication appears to be guided by a central intelligence to prevent certainty (proof). The central intelligence is God.

[CliveG]

So where to from here? Just wait to see how corona virus progresses?

I would add that in December when working at the house next to the cell phone tower I started to get a burning pain in my right upper thigh muscle. It started after about a half-hour there, and ended a few hours after leaving the house. I thought it would be a good indicator of the presence of cell tower microwaves, but in January the pain became persistent. I looked up burning sensation and found it was associated with nerve damage or excessive stimulation.

Eventually I figure out that something was affecting the nerve. My hypothesis was that the elastic band on my underwear was pressing on a soft piece of leg tissue. I changed things and the burning has disappeared except when I visit the house. So here we have two pieces of information.

The MW affect nerves most of all. That is why low intensity urban background radiation gives me pain all over, mostly in the muscle tissue. The neuroma (a spot of damaged nerve tissue without myelin sheath) in my side gave me direct sharp pain from high intensity MW after 5 minutes.

The other bit of information is confirmation of what I said last year about July which is MW affects cells that are damaged or have depressed functionality. The healing is retarded, or an existing condition is made worse. This is why I say that cell phone radiation can predispose cells to being attacked by the corona virus.

I have met with a number of people who claim to be EHS. The problem I have with most of them is that they are not consistent - and also decline to participate in tests. This reduces my credibility because others can use them to show that people are not feeling what they claim to be feeling. I do think they are genuine in their claim to have pain and illness. Some MW is involved, but there are other factors.

I suppose God will allow hints that MW can make illnesses worse and maybe stimulate COVID-19 but will let others dispute it to the point that my claim has no credibility for a while. Got to let the die-off continue to grow and expand.

I am just musing at the moment. I have had nearly 2 to 3 weeks of headaches and illness and yet have not had much cell tower exposure. My wife said she is getting headaches in the morning also. Two nights ago at 2 am I had an insight or revelation. The house we moved into has pink glass fiber insulation in the ceiling. It is very old and dirty and I said from the first sight that I needed to remove it and then vacuum out all the dust.

I knocked together two home-made filters that I put before a wet-dry vacuum. One is a cyclone filter (made with an upside-down traffic cone) and one is a water-filter with various sizes of bent pvc pipe to get good water to air interaction. Plus boric powder to decrease the water tension. Both with large plastic drums. Glue, pvc pipe, and duct tape. No dirt or dust gets to the final vacuum. I use 50 mm PVC piping running from the roof to the outside to ensure that no dirty air is inside. Just pushed together. I also seal all the ceiling to wall joints tight with silicone especially at the cornices. Opened up windows at night. Must just knock together some mosquito screens. So far so good. I did our other house and now must do this one.

[alancalverd]

The Tarot cards tell me that the agents are pressuring both parties in order to get the sale.

Since that is their job, the cards are only telling you what everyone knows. Or did you hire an agent for some other purpose?

[CliveG]

The Tarot cards tell me that the agents are pressuring both parties in order to get the sale.

Since that is their job, the cards are only telling you what everyone knows. Or did you hire an agent for some other purpose?

If you came to me for a reading and I told you that the cards are saying that we can trust the realtors to tell you the truth, and then said you should accept the offer, would you feel you were getting correct advice? No, because a portion of the advice is clearly incorrect. So when the cards say the realtor cannot be trusted to give you the correct advice but that the bottom line is that you should nevertheless accept the advice then you have more confidence that the unknown part of accept or reject, which is the answer you are looking for, is correct.

One could flip a coin and get a simple yes (heads say) or no (tails). One could do two out of three, with 3 heads being a much stronger "yes". The way I ask for a yes or no is to lay out three packs of no more than 13 cards and those with an Ace-up are yes and those with an Ace-down are no. The type of Ace (Cups, Wands, Pentacles or Swords) gives more meaning. Where the aces are gives even additional information meaning, and same with other cards that are not aces.

If the "story" is not consistent, then one has to wonder if the advice is accurate, or whether there are some kind of agenda that needs further investigation. When there appears to be randomness (which is actually easy to spot) then the cards do not want to give an answer. It does not happen often with me. I do not try to "craft" an answer to make it fit.

[CliveG]

Corona virus. Well, I was right about a market Monday bounce. Sometimes seeing the direction is as easy as seeing the trends.

When I saw it was time to sell the Manhattan apartment it was because of the huge number of signs advertising real estate. It was a veritable explosion - a sign (not very psychic) that the market was overheated. It was easy to do some research to confirm my unease. But doing the Tarot cards is always one way to be sure.

My question is. Some people are saying the market is bouncing because of fear. They are quite right. If some powerful behind-the-scenes people decide (or if the mob mentality shifts) then a lot of media can jump on the bandwagon and move sentiment.

I saw this with the first Iraq war when I was in New York. A couple of weeks of doubt and debate and then a rapid swing so hard that the nay-sayers were silenced. Censored. That is when I realized just how powerful a propaganda machine the USA had. I had seen propaganda in South Africa in the 70s but it was crude and easy to figure out, although effective for the target audience.

What I want to know is - what is it about the corona virus that is scaring people? My feeling is that it is similar to SARS and MERS and has the POTENTIAL to kill vast numbers, and that it may do so without being stopped.

How about some input here? Or must I go to the Tarot cards. 

[Bored chemist]

Finally. You agree that God refuses to prove that he exists. We are making progress.

Finally you notice that I already said that.
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=77240.msg591363#msg591363

You are making slow progress.

But with spirit communication being mostly anecdotal then the rule is not broken

Either it is or it isn't.
Which of your statements was wrong?
"If spirit communication happens then God exists."
or
"But with spirit communication being mostly anecdotal then the rule is not broken because you say it is not proof."?

[Bored chemist]

Eventually I figure out that something was affecting the nerve. My hypothesis was that the elastic band on my underwear was pressing on a soft piece of leg tissue. I changed things and the burning has disappeared except when I visit the house. So here we have two pieces of information.

How would you distinguish that from a psychosomatic effect?

[CliveG]

Eventually I figure out that something was affecting the nerve. My hypothesis was that the elastic band on my underwear was pressing on a soft piece of leg tissue. I changed things and the burning has disappeared except when I visit the house. So here we have two pieces of information.

How would you distinguish that from a psychosomatic effect?

A psychosomatic effect is usually accompanied by an expectation. "Here take this pill. We expect you may feel better." Some who take placebos feel better. Some who are extremely susceptible to suggestion may have quite marked physiological effects. I had no expectation of a burning sensation. I am not susceptible to suggestion. The chances of a psychosomatic effect are very low.

On the other hand pulsed cell microwave has been shown in numerous studies to affect cells and even disrupt them. And both myself and three other people have experienced numerous ill effects from the tower. The higher the radiation the worse the effects, and also the longer the duration, the worse the effects.

What are the chances that a psychosomatic effect is the phenomenon causing a burning sensation? I would say that the odds are extremely low and you just want to have an excuse to deny the effect I am proposing.

[CliveG]

Just a reminder of the effects of living next to a tower. Here is a list of the symptoms I experienced.
1. Tinnitus in after a couple of weeks.
2. Drop in hearing shortly afterward. (having to ask people to repeat themselves)
3. Disturbed sleep (waking up tired and dreams were hazy and erratic - stopped immediately when I started wearing aluminium headgear.
4. Memory loss and problems spelling.
5. Mental confusion.
6. Clumsiness and dyslexia
7. 4 episodes of brief full body convulsions
8. Nausea
9. Headaches (that occur at the back of the top of the head).
10. Anxiety and irritability.
11. Irregular heatbeat at times.
12. Higher than usual blood pressure.
13. Peripheral neuropathy in feet and toes.
14. A 3 week episode of diarrhea.
15. Skin growths on my forehead.
16. Severe and sharp pain in my right eye socket near my nose
17. 3 metal tooth fillings fractured and broke
18. My knee replacement took a serious turn for the worst until I put foil over and then moved out of the house.

My wife experienced similar problems and also
1. Facial basal cell carcinoma
2. Hand tremors.

The neighbors on the other side got similar problems. They moved out of their home 3 months ago. We moved out of our home 2 months ago. I had moved out to an apartment 6 months prior to that.

Many of the symptoms have either gone or have abated now that we are away from the tower. But our dogs are partially deaf and my wife's hearing is quite bad now.

I do not think that psychosomatic explains the problems and the illnesses. Go to
https://bioinitiative.org/rf-color-charts/
for a list of scientific studies and the level of exposure.
Also
https://bioinitiative.org/table-of-contents/
Try

Perhaps better is

[CliveG]

Hey BC. I see you also post comments on Fox News. Or are there more like you?

https://www.foxnews.com/science/air-pollution-causing-pandemic-shaving-nearly-three-years-from-peoples-lives

Comment:
Air pollution causing 'pandemic,' shaving 'nearly three years' from people's lives
It's a psychosomatic condition suffered by the believers of the myth.

I was at the house with the tower. A phone call came in and I stopped to take it. Ten minutes later my upper thigh is burning quite severely. Moved out of the high radiation area and it lessened considerably. Almost not noticeable an hour later after leaving.

Imagine I told you that I was blindfolded and someone held my hand over a hot stove plate. Ow - it burns. Psychosomatic se foot. (An Afrikaans way of saying Yeah right).

[Bored chemist]

A psychosomatic effect is usually accompanied by an expectation.

Well, yes, obviously and once again, it's time for you to look in the mirror.

An expectation like, maybe expecting to feel bad in a particular place, and then actually feeling bad when you get there.

except when I visit the house.

A psychosomatic effect is usually accompanied by an expectation. "Here take this pill. We expect you may feel better."

Or "wear this tinfoil hat; we expect you to feel better"

Disturbed sleep (waking up tired and dreams were hazy and erratic - stopped immediately when I started wearing aluminium headgear.

Oh look! it worked.

Then there's confirmation bias, and the attribution of normal changes (like tinnitus which is noted for coming and going) to some imagined "cause"
You can go through your list and remove the ones where those might explain your observations.
Come back if there's anything left.

[Bored chemist]

Hey BC. I see you also post comments on Fox News. Or are there more like you?

https://www.foxnews.com/science/air-pollution-causing-pandemic-shaving-nearly-three-years-from-peoples-lives

That's got nothing to do with me or with psychosomatic illness.
Did you think you had some sort of point?

[CliveG]

My wife was the one who suggested I wear foil on my head when I took an afternoon nap. I felt it was as silly as most of us think it is, but I did know that foil is an excellent reflector. What surprised me was how effective it was. I was not expecting the really good sleep I had, with clear dreams that at least held a theme for a while before changing to a new theme. And after two hours I woke refreshed. It is hard to overstate just how different it was. And it was repeatable. You would argue that psychosomatic placebo effects are also repeatable. You would be repeating yourself - convincing yourself even more at the same time.

No doubt you want me to have an EEG test under both conditions. I would be more than happy to be tested. The problem is finding researchers who would do such tests. Perhaps Naked Scientist would do so - but maybe they would get pressured not to. Regrettably my health is quite bad and my wife wants me to get on with projects that are urgent - and not try to convince a bunch of unconvincibles of something.

Upon checking the spelling of unconvincibles I came across this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=25&v=7uVcgtQTSb4&feature=emb_logo

[Bored chemist]

OK,
Given that, in fact (it has been measured) tin foil hats increase the microwave dose in your head, do you accept that it must be the placebo effect?

https://www.howtogeek.com/114037/researchers-prove-tin-foil-hats-boost-receptivity-to-government-signals/

[CliveG]

OK,
Given that, in fact (it has been measured) tin foil hats increase the microwave dose in your head, do you accept that it must be the placebo effect?

https://www.howtogeek.com/114037/researchers-prove-tin-foil-hats-boost-receptivity-to-government-signals/

False fact. A real porker of a misleading article. There is so little information and it is so garbled that it was definitely put out as a "prank". And you believe such garbage as opposed to what I tell you?

Note: They include signals emanating FROM the cranium. I do not have any electronics in my head. Do you?

The bottom line is that signals do not get through the foil hat - at all. The exposed face, if facing the source of the signals, will of course be exposed. But the "tower headache" that my wife and I get is top and back - at the position of maximum reflection of signal away from the head.

Must be paid cell industry trolls - aiming to discredit any credible evidence. And, of course, you do your bit to spread it some more. I should try this experiment with my meter. Take half a water melon with the inner stuff removed. Put my meter into it with the small non-directional aerial. Put a foil cap on. How much are you willing to bet that there is significant attenuation?