[Bored chemist]

Wireless radiation is one of the many types of environmental pollution that can damage the immune system.

Just to remind you. We will dismiss that claim without evidence.

[CliveG]

I keep saying your reading comprehension and your math needs some work.

The mortality rate is the number of deaths per infections, not total population.

The thing that matters is how many people die, not how many get infected.
The death rate will be about 1 or 2%.

However, you seem to be grasping very tightly to the straw that 1% isn't the same as 2 or even 4, while ignoring the actual point.
(You can tell it's the point, because it's actually on topic)
Even a 5% death rate does not reduce reduce the population much, of for long.
So, if it's God's solution to overpopulation, it's incompetent.
Why do you praise such a rubbishy God?

When one compares pathogens one looks at how many people who are infected will die. By how many in the world die, Ebola and MERS are not worth worrying about according to you.

Nonetheless your point is taken. How many people globally will die in the next year or so? And the next 5 to 10 years? A Great Die-Off will only happen if a great number of people, say about 50%, die.

The Die-Off is not an end to itself. The goal is a drastic change in human behavior to stop destroying the planet. If this change occurs very quickly then a rapid decline may not be necessary. However, even we all stopped consuming and lived very modestly it seems we would still be over-populated. A slow attrition with population control may then work.

Here is a message entitled Corona has its Advantages
- It has brought back humanity
- Brought people back to their Creator and their morals
- It has closed down bars, night clubs, brothel and casinos
- It has brought down interest rates
- Brought families together
- Stopped people eating dead and forbidden animals
- Moved one third of military expenditure to health care
- Arab countries have banned shisha
- It is pushing people to prayers
- It undermines dictators and their powers
- Humans are now worshiping God rather than progress and technology
- It is forcing authorities to look at their prisons and prisoners
- It has taught humans how to sneeze, yawn and cough
- It is making us stay at home and live simple lives

It is from an ex_MP in Egypt and ends:
We thank God for waking us up to reality and giving us an opportunity to ask Him for his Forgiveness and His help.

[CliveG]

Wireless radiation is one of the many types of environmental pollution that can damage the immune system.

Just to remind you. We will dismiss that claim without evidence.

Time will tell. Just as with radium, lead, tobacco, DDT, and so many other toxins.

It is not that there is no evidence, it is that you are blind to the evidence. Just as with radium... etc.

 I am a patient man.

[Bored chemist]

Ebola and MERS are not worth worrying about according to you.

Nonsense.
But they are lower down my list of things to worry about than malaria or Covid19.

The Die-Off is not an end to itself.

No need for God to invoke one then (because He could do much better) and, thus, no need for further discussion of it in this thread.

It is not that there is no evidence,

Looking through this thread, there has been no evidence.
And, until you provide some you are just wasting everyone's time.

[Bored chemist]

Here is a message entitled Corona has its Advantages
- It has brought back humanity

In the form of people fighting in a supermarket over a few rolls of toilet paper- in a world where many people have no toilet.

- Brought people back to their Creator and their morals

No, it just hasn't. Unless yo  think  that fighting over bog roll is what the Creator wants.

- It has closed down bars, night clubs, brothel and casinos

And recreated speakeasys  where crime can thrive becaus eteh whole enterprise id illegal.
Remember what prohibition did for gangs?
It was such a shitshow they had to ditch it.

And so on.

All the benefits you cite are illusory.
That MP should know better
" We thank God for waking us up to reality and giving us an opportunity to ask Him for his Forgiveness and His help."
Religion as stockholm syndrome.
We thank Him for not doing the evil things He had said He would do.

[alancalverd]

- It has brought back humanity-

in the form of panic buying and violence in supermarkets, and black market prices for essentials.

Brought people back to their Creator and their morals-=

evidence of a sudden upsurge in morality> Not seen. 

It has closed down bars, night clubs, brothel and casinos-

so regulated, social eating and drinking has been replaced by solitary home consumption of (cheaper) alcohol, and musicians are out of work. Not sure about brothels.

   It has brought down interest rates

from 0.5% to 0.25% is hardly a big deal for borrowers (if the factory is shut, there's no point in buying stock or plant) , and a death blow for investors.

Brought families together

crammed, not brought, for the vast majority. And separated the elderly from their grandchildren.

Stopped people eating dead and forbidden animals

AFAIK the only animals regularly eaten live are oysters, and much of that trade has been stopped by an outbreak of norovirus in France. Pork and bacon are still flying off the shelves - the ultimate comfort food. 

Moved one third of military expenditure to health care

except in war zones.

Arab countries have banned shisha

just catching up with the civilised world, which would happen eventually anyway

It is pushing people to prayers

an activity within Einstein's definition of insanity, or worse - defiance of the expressed wish of the Almighty!

It undermines dictators and their powers

Trump, Putin, Al-Assad, Ali Khamenei, all seem to be running their offensive domains much as before

Humans are now worshiping God rather than progress and technology -

So we are praying for ventilation, not making ventilators, eh?

It is forcing authorities to look at their prisons and prisoners

indeed, with the police in many countries now arresting people for shopping, not shoplifiting.

It has taught humans how to sneeze, yawn and cough

all of which are classified as autonomic reflexes in all mammals.

It is making us stay at home and live simple lives

and why is that a Good Thing? I would rather be out doing complicated things with medical x-rays.

It is from an ex_MP

a professional purveyor of bullshit. That explains a lot.

[Kryptid]

- Stopped people eating dead and forbidden animals

Forbidden?

[CliveG]

The SA government has imposed a 21 day shut-down and lock-down starting Thursday mid-night.

The army has been called out.

No domestic worker will be able to go to work. Our factory will have no workers. Not much government assistance. No compulsory 10-20% contribution from over-paid government officials toward relieving hardship for the poor. Two businessmen gave R1 billion each to the Solidarity Fund (who gets and why is not specified).

My wife and I are in shock.

The government has recognized that SA has one of the highest AID infections in the world and also highest TB rates. They know this country could implode. The ministers will no doubt still have banquets and live high on the hog. Zimbabwe is an example. But a revolution of desperate people could overthrow regimes.

Interesting times. Testing times. I could home sitting here on my computer. Hardware stores closed so projects stop.

[Bored chemist]

The SA government has imposed a 21 day shut-down and lock-down starting Thursday mid-night.

The army has been called out.

No domestic worker will be able to go to work. Our factory will have no workers. Not much government assistance. No compulsory 10-20% contribution from over-paid government officials toward relieving hardship for the poor. Two businessmen gave R1 billion each to the Solidarity Fund (who gets and why is not specified).

My wife and I are in shock.

The government has recognized that SA has one of the highest AID infections in the world and also highest TB rates. They know this country could implode. The ministers will no doubt still have banquets and live high on the hog. Zimbabwe is an example. But a revolution of desperate people could overthrow regimes.

Interesting times. Testing times. I could home sitting here on my computer. Hardware stores closed so projects stop.

Perhaps they should just keep going with what they were doing, but pray a bit.
Oh, hang on, all the believers were already praying.
Doesn't seem to have helped.

[Bored chemist]

- Stopped people eating dead and forbidden animals

Forbidden?

Unicorns, yetis, you know the sort of thing.

[alancalverd]

But a revolution of desperate people could overthrow regimes.

It took 100 years to do so in SA, and there's no evidence that the current regime is any less able to suppress common sense and decency.

[CliveG]

I am making a long list of things to buy and get done before the shut-down bites. There are so many "essential" services that the lock-down is unlikely to work. No one is wearing masks. People are in dense crowds. This is a recipe for disaster as our economy will collapse. My wife's factory will close without any orders going out. She will have to pay the workers the four weeks pay without them doing any work.

The "shake-out" of the world's excesses may be here with a vengeance.

For some, the end is nigh.

[hamdani yusuf]

I am making a long list of things to buy and get done before the shut-down bites. There are so many "essential" services that the lock-down is unlikely to work. No one is wearing masks. People are in dense crowds. This is a recipe for disaster as our economy will collapse. My wife's factory will close without any orders going out. She will have to pay the workers the four weeks pay without them doing any work.

The "shake-out" of the world's excesses may be here with a vengeance.

For some, the end is nigh.

Don't you think that all of those are part of God's plans?

[CliveG]

I am making a long list of things to buy and get done before the shut-down bites. There are so many "essential" services that the lock-down is unlikely to work. No one is wearing masks. People are in dense crowds. This is a recipe for disaster as our economy will collapse. My wife's factory will close without any orders going out. She will have to pay the workers the four weeks pay without them doing any work.

The "shake-out" of the world's excesses may be here with a vengeance.

For some, the end is nigh.

Don't you think that all of those are part of God's plans?

I have a problem with calling a disaster a plan by God. If there was no God (and some say there is not), then this would have probably have happened anyway because of man's inability to control the greed and the lack of compassion for others by those in power.

Most rational people and many scientists and economists could see it coming. So it was not hard for God to see the trajectory and make minor tweaks. God's plan is to see humankind evolve both physically, mentally and spiritually. This was put into place by the Ultimate Intelligence who is dreaming. As you know, dreams can morph, or can be repeated. There are lucid dreamers who decide what they want to dream about.

If the Ultimate Intelligence is also the Intelligent Designer then it could have done many revisions and iterations. It can tweak using God and Satan to refine a trajectory, or it can restart and tweak a universal constant if the system becomes unstable.

The corona virus is something that seems designed because of its currently known properties. It spreads in people with no symptoms, it is very transmissible, it kills quite a number, and it kills the elderly and the compromised. Some would say it may finish the job AIDs started. SA and Thailand have a lack of sexual restraint that is causing high infection rates.

It has been timed to come just when the world economy is shaky and the 2008 crash has not "corrected" the system.

One presumes God will help people who deserve to get through this to get through this. I paid off a temporary worker who was helping me with projects, and gave him a good severance pay even though I do not have to. A simple but nice man. Pleasant and hardworking. He lives from week to week, and has a wife and three children. He lost his 9 year job last year in September and was not paid out properly. He said to me that he just has to trust in God to help him through this. These are the personal stories that are not just on the news.

Those who think God has ultimate control and did indeed plan this, are justified in thinking God is nasty, despite my statements that adversity makes us stronger, and we should learn to use spiritual lessons to rise above the suffering and death. I adhere to the standard religious versions that God is good, and life is better with a trust in God.

My faith may be soon tested. We have a friend who is in the health department as an inspector. She said she in one who has been tasked with interviewing people with COVID to trace their contacts. She says they are supposed to provide PPE but I would be surprised if it was no more that a mask and gloves. She is a committed Christian and has faith. She told us that the areas with the highest outbreaks are the neighborhood we live in and the neighborhood my wife's factory is in.

Today I took a short nap without oxygen. I woke and was very aware I have a sinus and chest infection of some sort (which is quite rare for me) and so does my wife. It seems viral with a touch of bacteria. I have started with the preventative measures.

[Bored chemist]

I have a problem with calling a disaster a plan by God. If there was no God (and some say there is not), then this would have probably have happened anyway because of man's inability to control the greed and the lack of compassion for others by those in power.

And, therefore, it happening is not evidence of the existence of God.

So it's off topic.

Most rational people and many scientists and economists could see it coming.

So, it's not evidence of some mystical power that you saw it coming (as did the people who wrote those films).

This was put into place by the Ultimate Intelligence who is dreaming.

Just how many entities are you going o invoke to make life "simple"?

SA and Thailand have a lack of sexual restraint that is causing high infection rates.

Always good to throw a bit of victim blaming into teh mix.

The corona virus is something that seems designed because of its currently known properties.

No.
While it's unhelpful to say "it's just like the flu", there is some truth to that idea. It doesn't have any property that's "new" in the sense of being unknown, or even unusual in other viruses.

One presumes God will help people who deserve to get through this to get through this.

I can pretty much guarantee that your earlier assertion was more nearly right.

The ministers will no doubt still have banquets and live high on the hog.

.

Poor people will be more likely to die; rich people will be less likely to die.

It has been timed

No it hasn't.

just when the world economy is shaky

It always is.

It seems viral with a touch of bacteria.

That's meaningless.

[CliveG]

Okay. Nose running, slight temperature, slight sore throat & teeth, and body aches more than usual. I presume it is a cold. Guest bedroom with a heater on for me tonight. Spraying with colloidal silver. I cannot afford to get sick - too much to do. Will see how I am tomorrow.

I have another "benefit" to add to the corona list.
Finally the political cartoons have a topic other than Trump. Almost.
I saw a video of a serious interview of a worried South African man being told he had to quarantine for three weeks and was asked whether he would: a) be with his wife and child and b)... the man did not hesitate and said b). His expression the whole time was priceless.

Which, by the way, is one attribute that people overlook about God. I think he has a sense of humor and appreciates a good joke, even at his expense. Satan, on the other hand, only appreciates a joke that brings a nasty outcome to some victim.

Our inspector friend said that the police and army meant business in stopping non-essential travel. The streets at 7pm were deserted. Crime might drop because 4 men in a car cruising the hood for victims would be stopped. And the vagrants put into shelters.

[Bored chemist]

I presume it is a cold. Guest bedroom with a heater on for me tonight. Spraying with colloidal silver.

It's a viral infection , so you plan to use an antibacterial.

Do you even science?

Which, by the way, is one attribute that people overlook about God. I think he has a sense of humor and appreciates a good joke

It's hard to see how you think that's not well known.

"I don't want to start
Any blasphemous rumors
But I think that God's
Got a sick sense of humor
And when I die
I expect to find Him laughing"

[CliveG]

I presume it is a cold. Guest bedroom with a heater on for me tonight. Spraying with colloidal silver.

It's a viral infection , so you plan to use an antibacterial.

Do you even science?

Which, by the way, is one attribute that people overlook about God. I think he has a sense of humor and appreciates a good joke

It's hard to see how you think that's not well known.

"I don't want to start
Any blasphemous rumors
But I think that God's
Got a sick sense of humor
And when I die
I expect to find Him laughing"

One night in a hot room and I am okay. I have proved this works many many times from the time of my 20's. Just some colloidal silver spray. I was too tired to gargle with warm salt water.

You should read my post once more. People often conflate Satan and God. Satan may be laughing when the guy dies. Not God. This conflation is a serious problem. A good entity is a good entity and a bad entity is a bad entity. If you start ascribing evil to God then you need to check your logic and your assumptions.

Despite the fact that I feel I accurately predicted the pandemic, I get no good feelings from being right.

I just had a case where a large air valve failed on a large guillotine at my wife's factory. The foreman did not follow my guidance and he took it to the"experts" for an overhaul. I said they would not have the expertise to deal with it, and we should have overhauled it together. I was right. I have been right on many of such situations when my "gut" feels strongly. Even though I could have overruled him, I had no way of knowing I would be right until I let it happen. I had figured it would not make much difference. He is now stripping it so I can diagnose it.

I was also correct in telling my wife to close the factory asap because the COVID would force her hand. It allowed us to be ahead of the curve. Perhaps Trump should hire me as a "psychic advisor" like many rulers had in the past. I combine common sense and logic with "gut feel". The wife is at the shops because of "elder shopping hour." She says "What should I buy?" We have prepared so there is not much.

I have a long day to tie up some loose strings before the shut-down.

[Bored chemist]

If you start ascribing evil to God then you need to check your logic and your assumptions.

He created all evil on Earth by deciding to put the serpent in the garden.

[Bored chemist]

Perhaps Trump should hire me as a "psychic advisor"

Srsly?