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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #940 on: 05/04/2020 19:43:09 »
Quote from: CliveG on 05/04/2020 17:24:23
I was about 55 to 60 when events gave me more assurance that the probability of the existence of God was reasonably likely. I still retain some skepticism and accept I may be wrong. Can you explain how I was absolutely certain a biker would die on an open road in good weather with little traffic and there was no problem with the way he was driving? That to me was the one example that illustrates the existence of the supernatural.

You are at your computer reading this, and suddenly you get a shock (and I mean a shock as if it had happened) that a car is going to crash into the side of the house in 5 minutes and you leave the room. The crash happens. A mild sunny day with little traffic and no unusual sounds. The man just dies at the wheel of the car from a heart attack and does not take the corner. It happens to you and no-one believes you - but you know what happened.
i dont know you personally or that exact circumstance but science has many explanations for this. 1 possibility from the top of my head is the same as when we know what song will come on the radio next or we know who the next person to call us is. it happens to everyone and is quite well understood by science. theres nothing supernatural there. its just our brain doing what it does.
a bit like when you dream about some stranger, and then the next day you meet that stranger for the first time. again, perfectly explainable by science. nothing supernatural.
so i used to get surprised by this stuff, thinking i was 'special'. until i learned more facts.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #941 on: 05/04/2020 20:07:40 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 05/04/2020 17:25:25
Neither statement is true. It's good enough for everyday practical chemistry and engineering but these phenomena are not prevented by any known physics.

 Better than that. Physics, if anything, proves that nothing becomes something every two or three days. We have many examples. Two weeks ago a gold mine sprouted from absolute nothingness and several people are very wealthy today. I knew a guy who jumped out of an airplane and landed in a feather bed that popped into existence six tenths of a second before he hit the ground. Not uncommon.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #942 on: 05/04/2020 20:22:01 »
Quote from: jfoldbar on 05/04/2020 19:43:09
Quote from: CliveG on 05/04/2020 17:24:23
I was about 55 to 60 when events gave me more assurance that the probability of the existence of God was reasonably likely. I still retain some skepticism and accept I may be wrong. Can you explain how I was absolutely certain a biker would die on an open road in good weather with little traffic and there was no problem with the way he was driving? That to me was the one example that illustrates the existence of the supernatural.

You are at your computer reading this, and suddenly you get a shock (and I mean a shock as if it had happened) that a car is going to crash into the side of the house in 5 minutes and you leave the room. The crash happens. A mild sunny day with little traffic and no unusual sounds. The man just dies at the wheel of the car from a heart attack and does not take the corner. It happens to you and no-one believes you - but you know what happened.
i dont know you personally or that exact circumstance but science has many explanations for this. 1 possibility from the top of my head is the same as when we know what song will come on the radio next or we know who the next person to call us is. it happens to everyone and is quite well understood by science. theres nothing supernatural there. its just our brain doing what it does.
a bit like when you dream about some stranger, and then the next day you meet that stranger for the first time. again, perfectly explainable by science. nothing supernatural.
so i used to get surprised by this stuff, thinking i was 'special'. until i learned more facts.
Don't forget. One hundred billion neurons sporting trillions of connections inside a skull is no big deal. Anybody can combine some protein and fat molecules in your average home blender and build a functioning brain. Some of my dearest friends have a small business producing replacement brains from a pre-dip batter.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #943 on: 05/04/2020 20:24:56 »
Quote from: jfoldbar on 05/04/2020 19:43:09
1 possibility from the top of my head is the same as when we know what song will come on the radio next or we know who the next person to call us is. it happens to everyone and is quite well understood by science. theres nothing supernatural there. its just our brain doing what it does.
a bit like when you dream about some stranger, and then the next day you meet that stranger for the first time. again, perfectly explainable by science. nothing supernatural.

I had not heard of a scientific explanation for this before. What is the mechanism?
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #944 on: 05/04/2020 23:00:03 »
"Questions regarding the formation of the Universe and ‘what was there’ before it came to existence have been of great interest to mankind at all times. Several suggestions have been presented during the ages – mostly assuming a preliminary state prior to creation. Nevertheless, theories that require initial conditions are not considered complete, since they lack an explanation of what created such conditions." Maya Lincoln Avi Wasser

As much as the antigod faithful try to avoid it, what set the big bang in motion is sort of important. If you think about, what preceded the explosion is actually key to everything we want to know. Even folks who despise all religions and don't "believe" in God per se, know that there had to be something behind the scenes pulling the strings.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #945 on: 05/04/2020 23:48:40 »
Quote from: jfoldbar on 05/04/2020 10:24:40
Quote from: duffyd on 05/04/2020 03:56:37
BTW, I want to repeat: Science provides overwhelming reasons why GOD must be. Even to suggest otherwise is ludicrous.
you show me yours and ill show you mine

actually, not really. science can not prove that there is no god. and it cant prove there is a god. there is evidence for both, but neither is provable. so the default position should be that until one is proven, both are possible. ever heard of Schrodingers cat. to accept one of those options as true is "lying to oneself" (there is a better phrase but cant think of it)

Science clearly establishes that GOD is.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #946 on: 06/04/2020 00:06:15 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 05/04/2020 17:25:25
Indeed since the observable universe seems to have a finite age, physics actually demands ex nihilo creation of matter

Its finiteness screams bloody murder, "Your God is above all, before all, is fierce and terrifying, wondrous, beyond your comprehension and longs to be in a close relationship with you, personally. He's wanted you to know him before your parents were born and he has loved you far longer than that. He knows everything about you, has been with you every second, knows your loneliness, your pride, your heart and everyone you cherish. Time is coming to an end as you know it and you will forfeit your chance to be with him who loves you so." 
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #947 on: 06/04/2020 05:29:20 »
Can you prove that?
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #948 on: 06/04/2020 05:37:18 »
Quote from: CliveG on 05/04/2020 17:33:56
How about the ex nihilo of the laws of physics?
The laws of physics are man-made summaries of observation, nothing more. We observe a universe of finite age, therefore what exists now, once did not exist. Some folks wonder how it happened, some folks assert who did it. Being of an enquiring mind, I prefer the "how".
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #949 on: 06/04/2020 05:44:12 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 06/04/2020 05:29:20
Can you prove that?
No. I can't, but He can. Right now. Right here. He can and will convince you He is real and will utterly amaze, stun, surprise, you UTTERLY.  HE's dying to, literally, He died a horrible death for YOU. So you and he can know each other as best friends.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #950 on: 06/04/2020 05:48:23 »
Quote from: duffyd on 05/04/2020 19:42:59
Faith in ‘Creatio Ex Nihilo’ (CEN) theory is real faith.
Wrong. Faith is acceptance of a hypothesis in the face of facts. It is distinct from belief (acceptance in the absence of facts) or science (investigation of a hypothesis by means of facts). 
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #951 on: 06/04/2020 05:49:38 »
Quote from: duffyd on 06/04/2020 05:44:12
No. I can't, but He can. Right now. Right here. He can and will convince you He is real and will utterly amaze, stun, surprise, you UTTERLY.  HE's dying to, literally, He died a horrible death for YOU. So you and he can know each other as best friends.
Can you prove that? I'm not impressed by assertion without evidence.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #952 on: 06/04/2020 05:57:54 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 06/04/2020 05:48:23
Quote from: duffyd on 05/04/2020 19:42:59
Faith in ‘Creatio Ex Nihilo’ (CEN) theory is real faith.
Wrong. Faith is acceptance of a hypothesis in the face of facts. It is distinct from belief (acceptance in the absence of facts) or science (investigation of a hypothesis by means of facts).

"Nothing" did not create the universe. "Nothing" can't make 1 string, 1 quark, i pancake.
Something/Somebody had to kick this thing off and Jesus Christ said He was His son. He was not of this world. He came from God and He was God and his arms are open and he is pleading with you right now to take a hold of him. "GOD, if you really are there, if you truly are there and you hear me, show me! Please, prove to me you are God, that you are here listening to me right now"
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #953 on: 06/04/2020 06:58:40 »
My hypothesis about cell radiation spreads. Of course, it it not just 5G

https://www.foxnews.com/us/woody-harrelson-among-stars-sharing-covid-19-conspiracy-theories-tied-to-5g
Former “Cheers” TV star Woody Harrelson recently posted a report “about the negative effects of 5G” and its supposed role in the coronavirus pandemic to his more than 2 million Instagram followers.

“I haven’t fully vetted it I find it very interesting,” he wrote of the report claiming “5G radiation” is “exacerbating” the contagion’s spread and making it more lethal.

...Professor Stephen Powis, the UK’s national medical director, called the theories “outrageous” and “absolute and utter rubbish.”
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #954 on: 06/04/2020 07:11:56 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 05/04/2020 20:24:56
Quote from: jfoldbar on 05/04/2020 19:43:09
1 possibility from the top of my head is the same as when we know what song will come on the radio next or we know who the next person to call us is. it happens to everyone and is quite well understood by science. theres nothing supernatural there. its just our brain doing what it does.
a bit like when you dream about some stranger, and then the next day you meet that stranger for the first time. again, perfectly explainable by science. nothing supernatural.

I had not heard of a scientific explanation for this before. What is the mechanism?

I also have not heard of this. What you seem to be describing is the brain misinterpreting a memory where one thinks that they thought about something they are currently experiencing. The fact that I slowed way down so as to not ride over the dead biker tells me that this was not the explanation for what happened. I KNEW for certain and was proved correct.

I am not in the habit of thinking things are going to happen and being proved wrong a thousand times before one actually happens. Even this explanation cannot be applied because it was not an unusual circumstance where one imagines something going wrong. The biker was not involved in a crash. It seems he died of a heart attack.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #955 on: 06/04/2020 07:39:31 »
I will have to buy and read.

https://www.amazon.com/Great-Influenza-Deadliest-Pandemic-History/dp/0143036491
Review by John Walker
...A century later, influenza continues to defeat every attempt to prevent or cure it, and another global pandemic remains a distinct possibility. Supportive treatment in the developed world and the availability of antibiotics to prevent secondary infection by pneumonia will reduce the death toll, but a mass outbreak of the virus on the scale of 1918 would quickly swamp all available medical facilities and bring society to the brink as it did then. Even regular influenza kills between a quarter and a half million people a year. The emergence of a killer strain like that of 1918 could increase this number by a factor of ten or twenty.

... Although medicine has made enormous strides in the last century, influenza, which defeated the world's best minds in 1918, remains a risk, and in a world with global air travel moving millions between dense population centres, an outbreak today would be even harder to contain. Let us hope that in that dire circumstance authorities will have the wisdom and courage to take the kind of dramatic action which can make the difference between a regional tragedy and a global cataclysm.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #956 on: 06/04/2020 07:39:43 »
Quote from: duffyd on 05/04/2020 23:48:40
Science clearly establishes that GOD is.
"is" what? real or imaginary? if science establishes that god is real, then you must have claimed the nobel prize for that find?
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #957 on: 06/04/2020 07:58:15 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 05/04/2020 20:24:56
I had not heard of a scientific explanation for this before. What is the mechanism?
about a year ago i went through a 'learn everything about brain function phase'. reading and watching everything i could about it.
 i cant remember the details on the how, or what i read at that time, but the studies showed this. for example.

 when we think, "michael jacksons 'bad' will come on radio next", and it does actually come on the radio next, we think we have made an accurate prophecy. what actually happened is after the song came on and then we hear the song, our brain tricked us into thinking that we had the 'foretelling thought' before the song came on. but actually the 'foretelling thought' was after the song came on.
this lapse in time can be(and i stress CAN) up to 10 seconds out.
so we can THINK we had the 'foretelling thought' up to 10 seconds before the event, but actually it was after.
our brain does this more than we realise
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #958 on: 06/04/2020 08:31:15 »
Quote from: CliveG on 06/04/2020 07:11:56
Former “Cheers” TV star Woody Harrelson recently posted a report “about the negative effects of 5G” and its supposed role in the coronavirus pandemic to his more than 2 million Instagram followers.
Thanks for the clarification.
Your view agrees with that of a man paid to pretend about things, but not with that of a man paid to know about things.

Oddly, the evidence (From China etc) still shows you are wrong.
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« Reply #959 on: 06/04/2020 08:32:50 »
Quote from: CliveG on 06/04/2020 07:39:31
.A century later, influenza continues to defeat every attempt to prevent or cure it,
Apart from the vaccines, and treatment.

Why do you post something which is so obviously wrong?
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