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This topic is about where is consciousness is located. I was showing some examples of how the projection factor of the unconscious mind works. The unconscious mind can project content, like an overlay onto reality. What we then see is not 100% reality, but reality superimposed by the projection. It does not have to be a visual or audio overlay but it most often an emotional overlay.
This is more common to the left since emotional projection is very important and will be blindly followed.
Confidence men and women promise you the world
.Many people are disappointed after the election since their fantasy projection ends when hard reality takes over.
Where is the consciousness located ?The following might appeal to pantheists, buddhists hindus, or newagers perhaps and maybe even scientists. https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/think-well/201906/does-consciousness-exist-outside-the-brain"Hence, in Fenwick’s view, the brain does not create or produce consciousness; rather, it filters it. As odd as this idea might seem at first, there are some analogies that bring the concept into sharper focus. For example, the eye filters and interprets only a very small sliver of the electromagnetic spectrum and the ear registers only a narrow range of sonic frequencies. Similarly, according to Fenwick, the brain filters and perceives only a tiny part of the cosmos’ intrinsic “consciousness.”Fenwick is not a physicist, so I dredged the following link, the mind of wigners friend which supports the Fenwicks theory.https://www.jstor.org/stable/23040667?read-now=1&seq=1The key points central to the article are"A. My body with its internal nervous system(explored to any future degree of physiological completeness) functions as a pure mechanism according to the laws of nature. Further more quantum mechanics is the ultimate basis of the mechanism.B. I am aware that by incontrovertible direct evidence of knowledge (information) entering my consciousness." Would any one like to comment, where is your consciousness? what is it?[/quoteJust a reminder on what the thread is about since, it appears to have been hijacked, by some one very bored
Let me show another example of projection, based on events in the news. If you look at the reaction to the Corona Virus, and the global shut down, one would expect this to be worse disease in the world of all times. The world has never reacted and acted like this before.If we separate ourselves from our emotions; Mr Spock with cold logic, ten times as many people have died of the flu this year than the Corona Virus. There are other diseases such as heart disease that claim even more lives than the flu each year. Yet, Corona has been given the status and resources as the worse of the worse, for all times. Something is not adding up in terms of the hard data, The question becomes, why are "we" overreacting to the lessor of evils, even with conflicting data, from hard science,for sickness and mortality? It has to do with a group projection of fear. This projection of fear, appears to be outside of ourselves, floating in the air like the angel of death. It adds a wild card that can override common sense. Even scientists, who we assume are rational, will try to rationalize their fear, and will ignore all sense of proportions based on hard data for other diseases. This can also be due to a windfall of resources clouding common sense. If we die of the flu, so what, there is no angel of death. But if you die of Corona, which is 10 times less likley, that makes you a hero for just facing hew angel of death eye to eye. This collective projection demonstration, driven by propaganda from by both side of the political spectrum, shows how strong unconscious projections can become, if it reinforced by herd think. In this case we have global herd think. You will not be able to convince most people that this exaggerated evil is partially inside of themselves. Proportional data will not sink into their minds to quantify the reality evil, even with people who are supposed to be rational based on occupation. Projection can be a useful investigation tool, if properly investigated. The unconscious can map out its own inner reality through projection. Many of the worlds religions have excellent maps. Some projection bones are easier for the herd to chew, since a solution is there for common sense, if you can separate reason from projection. The projection will be minimized if you can accept the reality of the Corona virus, but in the proper proportion to the hard reality of other things, that can also harm you. If your reaction remains exaggerated and disproportional to other data, you are too unconscious of the collective projection to reason.
Must be bored; he forgot to mention the topic.
I was hoping that somehow I could find a better argument against either paper I posted.
More importantly, that statement is far from incontrovertible.Much of the information you receive might be wrong and thus not (in a useful sense, knowledge.Notably, your eyes provide you with a picture of the world, but in reality the eyes have blind spots.
Quote from: pensador on 16/03/2020 12:54:57The article in the OP is suggesting the brain is where the consciousness manifests from a universal consciousness, the brain just filters out part of the universal consciousness, like an eye only detects part of the visible spectrum.Without any way to test that, there's no way to know whether it's true or not.
The article in the OP is suggesting the brain is where the consciousness manifests from a universal consciousness, the brain just filters out part of the universal consciousness, like an eye only detects part of the visible spectrum.
But the fact remains that the question posed in the title is unanswerable.
. If the cases discussed here are not of child actors, or con merchants then,...
Quote from: pensador on 28/03/2020 11:46:29. If the cases discussed here are not of child actors, or con merchants then,... ... they are evidence that some kids have vivid imaginations. Which we already knew.Did you need a video to tell you that?
You watched it then
nor has anyone put forward an argument against it, especially the jstor link I posted in the OP.
I did point out that it was wrong.Quote from: Bored chemist on 15/03/2020 14:12:57More importantly, that statement is far from incontrovertible.Much of the information you receive might be wrong and thus not (in a useful sense, knowledge.Notably, your eyes provide you with a picture of the world, but in reality the eyes have blind spots.
Quote from: pensador on 28/03/2020 15:24:53You watched it thenNo.Quote from: pensador on 28/03/2020 15:24:53nor has anyone put forward an argument against it, especially the jstor link I posted in the OP....here we go again..Quote from: Bored chemist on 28/03/2020 11:29:36I did point out that it was wrong.Quote from: Bored chemist on 15/03/2020 14:12:57More importantly, that statement is far from incontrovertible.Much of the information you receive might be wrong and thus not (in a useful sense, knowledge.Notably, your eyes provide you with a picture of the world, but in reality the eyes have blind spots.
Would I be correct in thinking you never read the JSTOR paper either.
Quote from: pensador on 15/03/2020 10:36:21Is this not the response of an atheist, a scientist might have commented where the second paper from jstor I posted is barking mad.OK, it says "I am aware, by incontrovertible direct evidence, of knowledge (information) entering my consciousness."where you wrote"I am aware that by incontrovertible direct evidence of knowledge (information) entering my consciousness."More importantly, that statement is far from incontrovertible.Much of the information you receive might be wrong and thus not (in a useful sense, knowledge.Notably, your eyes provide you with a picture of the world, but in reality the eyes have blind spots.
Is this not the response of an atheist, a scientist might have commented where the second paper from jstor I posted is barking mad.
Theoretically, since each neurons contains our entire human DNA ,and human DNA has traces of past animal DNA, the link between neuron DNA and synaptic based memory should allow the inner self to periodically extrapolate and manifest past DNA connections via the frontal lobe; deja vu.
Professor Patrick Stokes of Deakin University gives a thought experiment from Thomas Nagel. This comes from a talk given at the Ethics Centre from an episode of the podcast The Philosopher's Zone.
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl0yTN-P0TYThe video is titled "The Self - A Thought Experiment". Spoiler: showAn omniscient conscious being doesn't have subjectivity.QuoteProfessor Patrick Stokes of Deakin University gives a thought experiment from Thomas Nagel. This comes from a talk given at the Ethics Centre from an episode of the podcast The Philosopher's Zone.
Similarly, according to Fenwick, the brain filters and perceives only a tiny part of the cosmos’ intrinsic “consciousness.”