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Is geoengineering destroying life?

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Is geoengineering destroying life?
« on: 16/12/2015 20:53:40 »
Geoengineering is a covert operation to induce artificial climate changes and regulate the environment through emissions of coal fly-ash particles in the troposphere.

Moreover the possibility that theses classified nanoparticles affect human health is controversial, despite studies which demonstrated that such nanoparticles can have a impact on human physiology: http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/12/8/9375/htm

Is therefore existing a dual-purpose to geoengineering in systematically altering Earth albedo ?

Could geoengineering modify the ecosystem and destroy life based on the imperatives of climate changes ?
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #1 on: 17/12/2015 08:36:09 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 16/12/2015 20:53:40
Geoengineering is a covert operation to induce artificial climate changes

That's a pretty bold statement; what is your evidence to support this claim?
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #2 on: 17/12/2015 10:46:15 »
Quote from: chris on 17/12/2015 08:36:09
Quote from: tkadm30 on 16/12/2015 20:53:40
Geoengineering is a covert operation to induce artificial climate changes

That's a pretty bold statement; what is your evidence to support this claim?

I believe that the mass media cover up of geoengineering is an evidence that theses operations are done to systematically alter Earth albedo, thus inducing large-scale modifications of the climate and causing arbitrary damage to the ecosystems.
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #3 on: 18/12/2015 09:56:03 »
If this is a covert operation how come you know about it?

What is your evidence that the mass media are covering up these actions? You do realise that the mass media is not a single entity, with a single agenda? At what point did Putin and Obama agree to implement this program? If they did not agree, what motivates one not to "rat out" the other?
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #4 on: 18/12/2015 11:47:00 »
Quote from: Ophiolite on 18/12/2015 09:56:03
If this is a covert operation how come you know about it?
I have become aware of theses large-scale climate modifications by observing how cumulus clouds are artificially seeded by military aircrafts spraying (coal fly ash) aerosol particles in the atmosphere. The observed effect is a global dimming or reduction of the sun radiative energy and cooling on Earth surface.

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What is your evidence that the mass media are covering up these actions? You do realise that the mass media is not a single entity, with a single agenda? At what point did Putin and Obama agree to implement this program? If they did not agree, what motivates one not to "rat out" the other?

I believe that 9/11 is an important historical event in the geoengineering timeline. Mass medias (owned by global corporations) are likely to cooperate into Putin/Obama plans to globally orchestrate geoengineering through United Nations climate changes framework.
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #5 on: 19/12/2015 12:02:19 »
At this time, geoengineering is recognized as a temporary "hack" to reduce global temperature rise. But everyone realizes that it will have unforseeable consequences, there will be winners and losers, and there is always the fear that it could be turned into a weapon.

There are various international conventions that could be read as banning geoengineering (or they could also be read as requiring it!). So at this point in time, there is an unofficial moratorium on geoengineering projects.

The SPICE project in the UK designed techniques that could be used for geoengineering, but it was canceled before it could field test some of the equipment it had developed.

Meanwhile, in what could be considered a large-scale, uncontrolled, non-covert experiment in geoengineering, humans are pumping more CO2 into the atmosphere than we ever have before. There is also considerable SO2 from high sulphur fuels, which have largely been regulated for land use, but are still widely used to power container ships.

In a more controlled experiment, the Montreal Protocol is causing us to emit less CFCs into the atmosphere than we did 20 years ago. These are potent greenhouse gases, as well as destroying the ozone layer. 
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #6 on: 19/12/2015 12:12:30 »
One thing about particles in the atmosphere is rain will wash these particles from the sky. Water in clouds often uses micron sized particles as nucleation centers, onto which a water droplet will form. Rain can also extract CO2 and other gases like SO2, since these will react with water to form acids, which are now liquids at room temperature.
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #7 on: 19/12/2015 12:49:18 »
I believe the injection of solid aerosol in the troposphere may affect living organisms by
molecular delivery of nanoparticles;

I think solar geoengineering is more than a hack: Chemical terrorism is potentially a source of neurotoxicity
to humans.
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #8 on: 19/12/2015 14:35:09 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 18/12/2015 11:47:00
Quote from: Ophiolite on 18/12/2015 09:56:03
If this is a covert operation how come you know about it?
I have become aware of theses large-scale climate modifications by observing how cumulus clouds are artificially seeded by military aircrafts spraying (synthetic) aerosol particles in the atmosphere. The observed effect is a global dimming or reduction of the sun radiative energy and cooling on Earth surface.

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What is your evidence that the mass media are covering up these actions? You do realise that the mass media is not a single entity, with a single agenda? At what point did Putin and Obama agree to implement this program? If they did not agree, what motivates one not to "rat out" the other?

I believe that 9/11 is an important historical event in the geoengineering timeline. Mass medias (owned by global corporations) are likely to cooperate into Putin/Obama plans to globally orchestrate geoengineering through United Nations climate changes framework.
So all you have are unfounded beliefs, foolish opinions and fanciful interpretations of world events. If you were serious in your concern you would be offering substantial evidence and reasoned arguments, not a tissue of nonsense.
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #9 on: 19/12/2015 15:03:04 »
Quote from: Ophiolite on 19/12/2015 14:35:09
So all you have are unfounded beliefs, foolish opinions and fanciful interpretations of world events. If you were serious in your concern you would be offering substantial evidence and reasoned arguments, not a tissue of nonsense.

Thanks, I appreciate your criticism; But i'm convinced that the war on terror and geoengineering may well be connected through evidences of state-sponsored chemical terrorism. Thus, the dual-purposes of geoengineering may lie in the systematic modification of biodiversity through chemical injections of engineered aerosols with probable effects on human physiology. The effects of theses solid aerosols on human neurocognitive functions and behavior probably explain the cover up of mass media using cognitive dissonance and disinformation to coerce the use of geoengineering for climate changes.
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #10 on: 19/12/2015 21:19:20 »
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The effects of theses solid aerosols on human neurocognitive functions and behavior...
Are you sure that you are not confusing the neurocognitive impacts of inhaling:
  • low concentrations of solid aerosols dispersed from government aircraft with
  • high concentrations of self-administered volatilized aerosols?
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #11 on: 19/12/2015 21:40:40 »
Quote from: evan_au on 19/12/2015 21:19:20
Are you sure that you are not confusing the neurocognitive impacts of government-dispersed solid aerosols with the neurocognitive impacts self-administered volatilized aerosols?

I'm interested in engineered aerosols injections in the stratosphere: Could geoengineering be potentially harmful to humans? How may engineered aerosols delivers molecular compounds to the brain? What are long-term effects of aerosols exposure on cognitive functions?
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #12 on: 20/12/2015 04:53:48 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 18/12/2015 11:47:00
... clouds are artificially seeded by military aircrafts spraying (synthetic) aerosol particles in the atmosphere ...

"chem-trails" conspiracy-theorists believe that too.
You've stated you're pro-legalization of marijuana, a drug that can cause paranoia.  [conspiracy theorist = paranoiac ].

Quote from: tkadm30 on 19/12/2015 21:40:40
I'm interested in engineered aerosols injections in the stratosphere: Could geoengineering be potentially harmful to humans? How may engineered aerosols delivers molecular compounds to the brain? What are long-term effects of aerosols exposure on cognitive functions?

Marijuana smokers are far more likely to have their cognition modified by that drug than by any hypothetical substance released from an aircraft which is miles away from them.
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #13 on: 20/12/2015 11:15:42 »
Quote from: RD on 20/12/2015 04:53:48
Marijuana smokers are far more likely to have their cognition modified by that drug than by any hypothetical substance released from an aircraft which is miles away from them.

Comparing geoengineering to marijuana smoking is not a rational argument to disapprove the probable effects of geoengineering on living organisms; It only remind me that Marijuana is a potential neuroprotective agent against chemically-induced adverse effects of solar geoengineering.

Is cognitive dissonance affecting your ability to understand how solar geoengineering is potentially a case of chemical terrorism over civilian populations?
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #14 on: 21/12/2015 18:09:30 »
Quote from: tkadm30 on 20/12/2015 11:15:42
Is cognitive dissonance affecting your ability to understand how solar geoengineering is potentially a case of chemical terrorism over civilian populations?
This rather seems to be the case of the pot calling the polar bear black. (Readers may form their own conclusions as to nature of the pot.)
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #15 on: 21/12/2015 19:01:11 »
I'm not sure I understand your metaphor completely, but the following explain well the fundamental issue
with geoengineering weaponization:


"Another form of unilateral action is military use of the technology. In fact, the weaponization of
geoengineering is not unprecedented; the United States artificially induced rain to cause flooding during
the Vietnam War [Robock,2008].
The issue of weaponization has since been addressed by the U.N.
Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification
Techniques which has 85 signatory nations [Robock, 2008].
Engineered nanoparticles would be desirable from a military standpoint since particle characteristics like atmospheric lifetime could be tailored to suit weapons applications.
Nanoscientists would be faced with the possibility that their work could be misappropriated for military use"

http://wiki.phy.queensu.ca/shughes/images/8/88/NANO_geoeng_report.pdf
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #16 on: 24/12/2015 13:30:45 »
I wonder if militarization of science is the fundamental problem with geoengineering. How can military applications of geoengineering using engineered aerosols is a more profitable technology than medicinal applications of nanoparticles ?

This is not a cannabis related topic... I don't understand why the logic to connect cannabis science to nanotechnology and geoengineering are correlated.

Regards,

tkadm30
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #17 on: 19/02/2016 20:06:29 »
You're giving these people way too much credit. They simply smell money, and are going for it, and damn the consequences. And they're happy to bribe all the regulators to keep pretending global warming and mass die-offs are a "controversy", just like evolution. Just typical republicans.
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #18 on: 20/02/2016 11:04:11 »
Quote from: BenTaylor on 19/02/2016 20:06:29
You're giving these people way too much credit. They simply smell money, and are going for it, and damn the consequences. And they're happy to bribe all the regulators to keep pretending global warming and mass die-offs are a "controversy", just like evolution. Just typical republicans.

The aerial spraying of unidentified aerosol in the stratosphere may affect global ecosystems. Canada seems resolved in geoengineering the climate. Follow the money...
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Re: Is geoengineering destroying life?
« Reply #19 on: 13/03/2016 22:40:29 »
I noticed that military planes sometimes release aerosols by doing a X-shape pattern in the sky. This always happens on clear and sunny days. Is there a logical explanation in doing a X-like motion to dissipate the aerosol
over urban areas? My hypothesis is that the X-like pattern usage is for geographically marking the area as a strategic target for artificial clouds formation.
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