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Quote from: Vandemolen3 on 25/08/2010 02:25:16Be carefull with nutmeg. An overdose nutmeg can be deadly!For the people who believe the high cortisol theory:Caffeine raises the cortisol level.Ginseng and Relora brings cortisol down. Ginseng is Chinese.The best way to lower the cortisol level is to stay relaxed, don't stress.I am not going to try Relora or Ginseng before a urine test of my cortisol. Tommorow I will go to my specialist and ask for a test or he has to make an appointment about a week. He doesn't know why I have so many UTI's. Well I know, because of the high Cortisol. Thanks for that vandemolen. I was actually considering just taking the whole bottle 0_oI support the cortisol theory too, as I thought my POIS began with the consumption of coffee.I used to drink Ginseng A lot, but stopped, don't really know why I'm going to try drinking it again though.Another reason I support the cortisol theory is because when I gamble, play highly competitive games, I can feel the POIS a lot more. But, a reason that I doubt it is cortisol is because of my body weight, I am pretty thin, and I read that cortisol causes excess weight gain.
Be carefull with nutmeg. An overdose nutmeg can be deadly!For the people who believe the high cortisol theory:Caffeine raises the cortisol level.Ginseng and Relora brings cortisol down. Ginseng is Chinese.The best way to lower the cortisol level is to stay relaxed, don't stress.I am not going to try Relora or Ginseng before a urine test of my cortisol. Tommorow I will go to my specialist and ask for a test or he has to make an appointment about a week. He doesn't know why I have so many UTI's. Well I know, because of the high Cortisol.
No, you don't have Addison because your cortisol is low. Your cortisol is low because you have Addison 's disease. Nobody has Addison here. But we make the hypothesis cortisol (and other hormones) may be too high or too low for another cause.
Blood cortisol tests can be inconsistent/inaccurate due to whitecoat syndrome giving false cortisol blood spikes.I and others have had normal to high blood cortisol but tested lower than bottom range on urine, saliva cortisol 4x aday..In my case saliva cortisol was always the lowest during in POIS mode.Cortef has helped alot with af and also pois.I have addisons although I use the term adrenal fatigue and so does many on the Sexual exhaustion forum.
Quote from: Dave23 on 25/08/2010 16:01:51Blood cortisol tests can be inconsistent/inaccurate due to whitecoat syndrome giving false cortisol blood spikes.I and others have had normal to high blood cortisol but tested lower than bottom range on urine, saliva cortisol 4x aday..In my case saliva cortisol was always the lowest during in POIS mode.Cortef has helped alot with af and also pois.I have addisons although I use the term adrenal fatigue and so does many on the Sexual exhaustion forum.Thanks for the information Dave. I think a blood tes is the first step. When they see something I will ask my familydoctor to send me to the endo. And then the endo will ask for a urine test for cortisol. So you have Addison/ adrenal fatigue. Sorry to hear that. But it's interresting that you mention it. I thought that all POIS-sufferers will have a high cortisol. If there is something with my adrenal glands it would be Cushing. If someone has Cushing there is a cyste on the adrenal gland or the pituitary. But there can be a cyste on another place which raises the cortisol level. I have got a cyste betweem the anus and the scrotum. Since I discovered the cyste, more than 5 years ago, I have POIS-symptoms.P.S. For me the test is done in day 3 in POIS mode.
Your welcome Van, dont be sorry Ive been pois free for quite a while now by optimising my hormone profile with help from couple of docs. You said :When* they see something I will ask my familydoctor to send me to the endo.And then the endo will ask for a urine test for cortisol. Thats could be the problem that gets away down the road .. 9/10 your blood cortisol will likely be normal, within range but like i said due to whitecoat syndrome unless you have extremely low cortisol levels that even the white coat syndrome doesntbring it high enough to be in the *normal range. Make sure to have your endo test you for urine/saliva cortisol even if blood is in range especially if one feels they have adrenal fatigue type symptoms which can be identical to POIS symptoms depending on the Pois individual .. *for the benefit of your health and others.So you have cyste on your prostate muscle, do you experience any unusual or changes in prostate contractions during the point of ejaculation since having this cyste on prostate? I had a cyste that wouldnt stop growing, hanging of my earlobe many moons ago , luckily itwas external and got it removed without being comatosed. However during this period or not long after I started experiencing adrenal fatigue symptoms and not long after POIS symptoms. Now i remember the doc i spoke to before having the cyste removed said its a sign of high stress which brings on high cortisol. First signs of adrenal fatigue is high stress/high cortisol due to burn out either from mental, physical, emotional stress of combination of above ...
There are 2 major disorders of adrenal glands: Dissease of Adison and Cushing's syndrome. I don't think POIS-patiensts have Cushing because you have to see this on your side:See my earlier post about adrenal glands.Quote from: Vandemolen3 on 09/08/2010 22:08:55Stress might be a factor. The famous Britisch writer Jane Austen died because of the dissaese of Adison. That's a dissease when the drenal cortex doesn't produce enough cortisol and aldosterone. She died in the 19th century, so no worries. Nowadays that can't cure Adison, but they have a treatment. Adison is rare, 120 per million people. During a stressful situation into the adrenal glands normally cortisol, which enables the body to deal with that situation. In people with Addison's disease can be very serious stressful situations lead to a crisis of Addison and a shock.With POIS you don't get a shock. But an O might be a stressfull situation for the body. So I am in for the cortisol theory. Does someone know which vitamins/pills you can use for a shortage of cortisol? Something you can buy without perscription. We all have too experiment a bit. Offcourse we have to be carefull. I ordered Fenugreek and Mecuna Pruriens. P.S. Or is the opposite with POIS: drenal cortex makes too much cortisol after an O?
Stress might be a factor. The famous Britisch writer Jane Austen died because of the dissaese of Adison. That's a dissease when the drenal cortex doesn't produce enough cortisol and aldosterone. She died in the 19th century, so no worries. Nowadays that can't cure Adison, but they have a treatment. Adison is rare, 120 per million people. During a stressful situation into the adrenal glands normally cortisol, which enables the body to deal with that situation. In people with Addison's disease can be very serious stressful situations lead to a crisis of Addison and a shock.With POIS you don't get a shock. But an O might be a stressfull situation for the body. So I am in for the cortisol theory. Does someone know which vitamins/pills you can use for a shortage of cortisol? Something you can buy without perscription. We all have too experiment a bit. Offcourse we have to be carefull. I ordered Fenugreek and Mecuna Pruriens. P.S. Or is the opposite with POIS: drenal cortex makes too much cortisol after an O?
Quote from: Vandemolen3 on 25/08/2010 12:39:03 But in the long term it could. But let's forget the Addison theory.No, you can't.We must be careful the words we use here.Addison's disease : destruction of adrenal glands and need to take cortisol to stay alive. adrenal insufficiency : the low levels are proved by cortisol test (urine or blood test. Controversy for saliva test). But the cause is not inevitably Addison.Adrenal fatigue : it's a supposed adrenal insufficiency which is not really proved by biological test. Anyway the Who seems to consider it as a real disorder since 2010.Dave, i supose you have adrenal insufficiency and not Addison. I'm reading your last posts and I have a lot of questions
But in the long term it could. But let's forget the Addison theory.
The cyste and POIS came six years ago. I don't know if there is a connection. A few weeks ago I had a scan in the prostate. There was nothing to see. This research was done by a replacer because my urologist was called for an emergency case. One appointment before I mentioned the cyste to my urologist. I said that maybe the cyste oppress the prostate. He said that it's possible and that we have to wait the scan. But his replacer didn't mention it. And I was forgotten it because I was happy that it wasn't cancer in the prostate. But the only unusual thing about the cyste/prostate is that I couldn't have a full O since I discovered the cyste. That was the reason to go to urologist. He said that it was just a UTI.But in stress the cyste grows. It's more internal. About a few weeks I already have an appointment with my familydoctor to discuss the resultst of the last blood test (low Vitamin D) and my experiment with Thyrax. So if the cortisol test is not out of range, I will ask him to send me to the endo. P.S. I saw on B_Jims list that you use Relora. Isn't that strange because Relora brings cortisol down. And you have already a low cortisol level because of Addison.
Maybe the cyste is blocking the actual ejaculation process in the prostate thus not able to have an orgasm unlike before having the cyste .. i had low vitamin d3 blood results as well .. got it up to 80 with 10000iu of VIt D3 liquid emulsion.Body wouldnt absorb vit d3 capsules/gels etcLow vit D comes with the pois territory, from the symptoms I stayed in 99.99% of the time all year no sun so less vit d3 and also less thyroid hormones which Im on armour for hypothyroidism as well. hehe that was a few years ago in regards to the relora, i first posted on this thread on page 4 dispite my low newbie post count