[B_Jim]

Sorry, I missed your last posts. I"m interrested because I take taurine against Pois and which is a final product of cysteine metabolism. As I wrote my urine test is negative.

But I never made the link between methylation products and mercury. It makes me think something else.

[B_Jim]

I make a second post because I don't know if both can be linked.

I remember I posted a link of the Gulf War syndrome.
(wikipedia)

Symptoms :

chronic symptoms have been linked to it, including fatigue, muscle pain, cognitive problems, rashes and diarrhea

But there is a specific point of this disease called "burning semen syndrome" . I remember some guys described Pois symptoms.

Burning semen :
 

Now the Martins no longer have sex; after intercourse, Kim experiences cramps and a burning sensation: when her husband's semen touches her skin, she told Redbook, it feels "like it was on fire."1 Doctors have been unable to find organic causes for any of the Martin's problems.

Pois-like :

In Barrington, Illinois, the Albuck family is also suffering. Gulf War veteran Troy has fatigue, muscle soreness, swollen joints, and headaches, diarrhea, and bleeding gums. His wife, Kelli has hearing problems, migraines, and attacks of pelvic inflammatory disease. She reports that her husband's semen is a toxic substance that "causes sores--blisters which actually open and bleed."

Why your posts abour mercury made me think to Gulf War Syndrome ? Because some guys think GWS = mercury poisoning.

[LupeNL]

Sorry, I missed your last posts. I"m interrested because I take taurine against Pois and which is a final product of cysteine metabolism. As I wrote my urine test is negative.

But I never made the link between methylation products and mercury. It makes me think something else.

Methylation is very often impaired in mercury poisoned people. Taurine is one of the recommended supplements in Cutler's chelation protocol as it helps the liver to produce bile. Bile flow is needed to excrete mercury. However taurine by itself won't release mercury from the tissues, you need to take proper chelators in proper intervals that respect their half-lifes and minimize redistribution.

Why your posts abour mercury made me think to Gulf War Syndrome ? Because some guys think GWS = mercury poisoning.

In the previous post I pasted link to the video where dr Haley mentions that Gulf War Syndrome was indeed caused by vaccines with mercury given to soldiers. On the mercury boards there are people reporting POIS symptoms and many different hormonal problems in general. Some of them are really rare and weird. They go away with persistent chelation 

[B_Jim]

I agree with these elements. And I can add I made an anti-tetanus vaccine 20-25 years ago with possible mercury component just before my Pois start. Maybe coincidence maybe not.
And I can add I often had the same problem of "burning semen" as gulf war veterans. Especially after NE episodes, my skin became red.

The problem is it doen't match at all with my taurine experience.
The effects of taurine are immediate and it doesn't match with a chelation process, longer.
All happens as if orgasm or sperm regeneration triggers methylation and then inflammation which is blocked by taurine supplements.
The other negative point is I found testimonies on the internet of guys complaining of "burning semen symptom" but without any other syptoms, Pois or not.

[LupeNL]

I agree with these elements. And I can add I made an anti-tetanus vaccine 20-25 years ago with possible mercury component just before my Pois start. Maybe coincidence maybe not.

I recommend to see "Trace Amounts" movie (traceamounts.vhx.tv) - story of a person who got poisoned by tetanus shot and initiated his own investigation on mercury.

But it's not only vaccines. You can be exposed through vaporing amalgams in your own mouth (or in your mother's mouth during pregnancy), broken fluorescent lightbulbs, broken thermometers or even eating tuna can daily.

The problem is it doen't match at all with my taurine experience.
The effects of taurine are immediate and it doesn't match with a chelation process, longer.
All happens as if orgasm or sperm regeneration triggers methylation and then inflammation which is blocked by taurine supplements.

I'm not really sure what you mean about taurine not matching chelation. Those are two different things. Chelation is the key. Taurine is only support, not essential to get healthy. It improves bile flow, improve magnesium absorption, helps you think clearly by reducing anxiety - no wonder it helps with your symptoms. However the fundamental problem is still there.

The other negative point is I found testimonies on the internet of guys complaining of "burning semen symptom" but without any other syptoms, Pois or not.

This is another thing that makes mercury so tricky. It can affect you in multiple ways with different combination of symptoms. Each case is different. E.g. It can make your libido uncomfortably high, but it can also make it non existent. It can make you sweating like crazy or not sweating at all. One can be intolerant to eating grains, others to eating meat. As I mentioned, some of the symptoms are very rare and weird.

The are reasons for this variety: age of exposure, your general level of health at the time of exposure, combination of other exposures (lead, aluminium, cadmium), organs where mercury is stored (brain, liver, heart, intestines etc.)

I know it's hard to believe that mercury can be responsible for all those things, but the truth is all of them are reported to go away with chelation. Reason why it's not popular and common knowledge is that chelation is not easy and takes time. It requires some faith in the process, where there may be no progress for a long time but actually worsening of symptoms just to have your health finally back after 1-2 years

[acronym]

In the previous post I pasted link to the video where dr Haley mentions that Gulf War Syndrome was indeed caused by vaccines with mercury given to soldiers. On the mercury boards there are people reporting POIS symptoms and many different hormonal problems in general. Some of them are really rare and weird. They go away with persistent chelation 

I've read up a bit on GWS and did not think Mercury poisoning was the number 1 culprit in their case, but one of numerous toxic substances those soldiers were exposed to at various times. I think its an absolute disgrace how many of those soldiers medical complaints were dismissed and spun back on them (malingerers, mental issues) by the army and its medical teams and would seem the media as well. Soldiers are all loved as heroes (even if they man drones)  in the US but post war triumph, when they are unwell or complaining its a bit of a different story then I gather. At least now their condition is getting recognition but how many damn years and victim case reports and studies did it take!!

I'm surprised the specialists cannot identify the substance in the ex-solders semen that is burning them & their wives/gfs. While someone else here mentions burning sensation as part of pois, that has never been an issue with me.

Anyway Lupe, can I ask what protocol are you following for your mercury detox?
That is fantastic new you are getting noticeable results - especially with your pois. If it was not for pois would you have ever guessed you had metal issues?   

I was first born so would have got the biggest dose of HM from my mother. Given no issues in hair analysis or DMSA challenge urine test I don't think my doctor would prescribe me chelators. My best best would be long term low level detox with alpha lipoic acid + other support supps I'd say.

The American Dental Association - there is no risk to a patients heath what so ever when it comes to mercury fillings. When the dentist removes them, different story...suddenly its now considered a toxic biohazard waste substance has to be disposed of with utmost care in an EPA regulated procedure.

[guest39538]

Thank you for posting this here , a very interesting story. I am not a doctor or a mental health expert but would like to offer an opinion.
I have not read the entire thread as to not influence my opinion in any way.


From what I have gathered of the thread, you are in suffering and feeling  a pain disorder.

''People with pain disorder (link is external)experience pain that medical doctors cannot explain. A person may distinctly feel a throbbing backache, yet doctor after doctor cannot give a physical reason for it. Clinicians conclude that these patients’ pain stems from their psyches rather than physical conditions. We know of course the mind is intertwined with the body. If there are no structural reasons for a backache, like a slipped disk or muscle injury, pain may originate in an active perception by the mind (i.e. nervous system) as opposed to passive reception of content. ''

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-superhuman-mind/201409/feeling-pain-is-not-there


This pain disorder is activated after ejaculation, your action being the trigger to activate the neural messages telling you there is pain there.

A sort of temporary  ''bipolar trigger''

''Psychotic symptoms in bipolar disorder can reflect your mood. For example, if you are in a manic episode you may believe that you have special powers or are on a special mission. If you are in a depressive episode, you may feel extremely guilty about something you think you have done. You may feel that you are worse than anybody else or feel that you don't exist. You can find out more about psychosis''

I do not want to pry into your history, but when you was young before puberty or in early puberty was there anything in your life you sore, heard or was bullied about that could have left a subconscious guilt that is activated by the trigger?

Does the problem persist if you get extremely drunk and then activate the illness?

[LupeNL]

Anyway Lupe, can I ask what protocol are you following for your mercury detox?

I'm following dr Andrew Hall Cutler's Protocol of frequent low dose chelation. ALA every 3 hours for 3 days and then 3-4 days break with 4 core supplements - vit C, magnesium, zinc and vitamin E. There are other protocols with chlorella, cilantro or IV chelation. However those are very risky and can cause major redistribution of mercury to different organs. Cutler's protocol is designed in a way to minimize redistribution through giving low doses and keeping the stable level of chelator in the blood.

That is fantastic new you are getting noticeable results - especially with your pois. If it was not for pois would you have ever guessed you had metal issues? 

Thanks, acronym. This is great question. The answer is no. Actually I would have never figure out it's mercury if my health wouldn't go downhill 3 years ago (major food allergies, sleep problems, anxiety, loss of weight etc.). I had POIS long before that (and some other minor problems) and only later I connected the dots. This also required long time convincing from users on other boards, so I'm not surprised that people here are sceptic about my theory. I'm trying to find right arguments, so that some of you can avoid what I've been through and hit the core of the problem right away.

I was first born so would have got the biggest dose of HM from my mother. Given no issues in hair analysis or DMSA challenge urine test I don't think my doctor would prescribe me chelators. My best best would be long term low level detox with alpha lipoic acid + other support supps I'd say.   

Chelators can be ordered through internet. I would really recommend to try out Cutler's protocol and see if there's any difference in how you feel on ALA, which would strongly suggest that mercury is an issue.

[John21 (OP)]

Chelators can be ordered through internet. I would really recommend to try out Cutler's protocol and see if there's any difference in how you feel on ALA, which would strongly suggest that mercury is an issue.

Can you give detail on this? How might one feel while taking the ALA if it is chelating mercury?

[demografx]

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[chris]

-semen is rich in catecholamines

Perhaps, but those are quite remote (anatomically and synthetically) from what goes on in the brain...

[LupeNL]

Can you give detail on this? How might one feel while taking the ALA if it is chelating mercury?

It can be anything actually. In general look for subtle changes in how you feel. Most common are:

little euphoria, brain fog, more/less energy, tiredness, better/worse sleep, rashes, gastrointestinal problems etc.

Some may show up in the later rounds

Personally I was close to resign from chelation in the beginning cause the changes were very subtle. I'm glad I didn't. I just had the regular blood test done and I have the best results since 3 years. It matches the way I feel. It gives me more motivation to chelate regularly in 2016.

Happy New Year everyone!

[demografx]

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[dcdx95]

Hello people

I have this problem for years now and it is ruining my life. I went to many kind of doctors but none of them could help me. I have tried many medicines but it didn't help. The problem is sexuality. Whenever I get an orgasm my brain becomes chaotic. I get brain fog, depression, anxiety and other mental problems. The brain fog is the worst part of it: I can't concentrate, focus, think clear and my short term memory becomes bad. This lasts for a couple of days. Then when it's good again I get another orgasm and there we go again: brain fog, depression, anxiety, ... . This is pure madness. And I'm not even talking about masturbation, I'm talking about 1 orgasm. Does anyone know how you can cure this? I have tried almost anything and this is driving me insane.

[stevenoc]

FROM Ahmed Maher ON FACEBOOK:
"Hello Guys . good evening . whoever suffering from depression i would like to tell him the cure for depression "only depression '' is by running exercises or aerobics it is the best antidepressant for pois . i walked and ran 6 kilos i have no depression for 2 days since then. but there is sideffect of exercise : the racing mind increase and tennitus also increase . u might get headache after this type of exercise so u might try central acting antihistamine and paracetamol . gaba or antianxiety meds after this type of exercise it helped me a lot to decrease depression symptoms so go ahead with exercise . i felt like there is detoxification happening in my body after running
 there is a hope 😊"

Exercise does help a lot. Especially running. Although when your in POIS its hard to get motivated to do it.

Anyway everyone please join the Facebook group. Its simply called: Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome. The more people join the better. Its a closed group so any posts you put up will only be seen by the group.

All the best for new year. Lets hope this year we get a step closer to some sort of effective treatment/cure.

[meteo74]

Hello people

I have this problem for years now and it is ruining my life. I went to many kind of doctors but none of them could help me. I have tried many medicines but it didn't help. The problem is sexuality. Whenever I get an orgasm my brain becomes chaotic. I get brain fog, depression, anxiety and other mental problems. The brain fog is the worst part of it: I can't concentrate, focus, think clear and my short term memory becomes bad. This lasts for a couple of days. Then when it's good again I get another orgasm and there we go again: brain fog, depression, anxiety, ... . This is pure madness. And I'm not even talking about masturbation, I'm talking about 1 orgasm. Does anyone know how you can cure this? I have tried almost anything and this is driving me insane.

Hi dcdx95

Try to orgasm just before sleeping at night,never masturbate,'' masturbation is the only reason of pois"then most of pois symptoms start and end when you are sleeping,

[Vincent M]

My symptom improvement from removing wheat from my diet remains true. Due to the shift in diet I developed a flatulence problem, which I was able to correct by eating wheat once again, at the cost of my symptoms returning to their previous intensity. I then determined that if I cut out dairy, meat, and eggs while cutting out wheat I was able to eliminate the flatulence while maintaining the symptom improvement. I've been eating a lot of rice, beans, potatoes, and oatmeal.

My hope is that eventually my digestive system may heal enough to allow me to eat animal products again without the embarrassing flatulence. As it stands now I seem to be able to eat them about once a week without it being a problem. I've also purchased activated charcoal and peppermint leaf capsules, which may serve as temporary fixes for when my will is weak.

[Bulbo]

Hello everyone
     I am very happy to tell you guys how well eggs are helping me against POIS. I started eating eggs after reading Gcrisp post in the naked scientists forum. Gcrisp got POIS in his 40s or 50s after he was put on statin drugs for cholesterol control. Later Gcrisp realised that the cause was the statins, he then stopped the statins and started to eat eggs daily for POIS. He claims that he got cured of POIS eventually.
     But i am in my 20s and dont take statins.But  i started eating eggs for POIS. I ate 2 eggs daily. My POIS was of a type where my mind never clears , everyday i had brain fog. Only after starting the eggs i realised my POIS duration lasts for 5 or 6 days. It will 5 days if stimulation was for more than half an hour, and the duration was 6 days if stimulation was very less. After the 5th or 6th day my brain fog cleared. it was the first time in my life, after my childhood, i was able to think clearly, but brain fog used to set in after mild stimulation.
     So i ate 2 eggs daily. By 5th month of starting eggs, i had a strange experience. On a normal day without POIS, i woke up to the brain fog of POIS, i was so desperate and thought that eggs are failing, this brain fog lasted for 6 days. then on the 7th day the brain fog cleared. In that week i realised that my POIS duration has reduced from 5 or 6 days (depending upon stimulation) to 4 or 5 days (depending upon stimulation). I was so happy, at last something has started to work for me.
     Then by 9 months and 10 days of eating eggs my pois duration reduced from 4 or 5 days to 3 or 4 days. Before the POIS duration reduced i did experience brain fog for 6 days which was not due to POIS.
     Today after 12 months and 29 days my POIS duration reduced from 3 or 4 days to 2 or 3 days.Before the POIS duration reduced i did experience brain fog for 6 days which was not due to POIS.
     I am so happy.
     I once tried increasing the no. of eggs to three a day so that POIS duration reduction may be hastened, but it didnt work out. i think my body takes this much time to make changes.

[B_Jim]

Congratulation and thanks to give your progress 1 year later.
Do you have hormones bloodtest ?
If it is slow, it might be the balance of hormones.

[happy2]

Hello everyone,
I am happy2.  I found the cure for POIS at Christmas time.  I am now 100% POIS free.  B Jim, Daveman, or whoever, e-mail me, and I will let you know how I did it.  I posted years ago with a severe case of POIS.  I suffered for almost 20 years.  3 1/2 years ago I went to a urologist.  He said he had never heard of this before.  However, he told me to get on an anti-histamine, which I did.  30 days later, after being on Claritin daily I orgasmed.  I immediately got out of bed and popped 2 benadryls and as I reported 3 1/2 years back, this reduced POIS symptoms by 95%.  I went back to same urologist 3 years later, this last July.  He told me to get on Zyrtec because this was more powerful of an anti-histamine than Claritin.  I experimented with Zyrtec next POIS session on days 1, 2, and 3.  Usually with physical or mental exertion on any POIS day for me has caused fatigue, or crash days, the following days after POIS, days 4 and 5.  This time was different, however.  I had no crash days on 4 and 5.  So, I started taking both Claritin and Zyrtec together, daily.  Two months later, I orgasmed, popped the usual 2 benadryls, and waited, 30 seconds, 1 minute, and nothing.  Mind did not fog over for the first time in 20 years following an orgasm.  This occurred at Christmas time, 2015.  I experimented for the next 4 weeks, orgasming 12 times.  Every time was the same result, NO POIS.  Thank God I found this cure.  I tried one benadryl instead of two, and it did not give the same result.  So, to recap, one Claritin and one Zyrtec daily, and exactly 2 benadryls immediately, within 20 seconds or so following orgasm.  NO POIS.  Thanks to the people on this site that gave me so much information about POIS.  I would have never known what it was except for this site.  Like I said, moderators, feel free to contact me.  Thanks to all.