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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #820 on: 01/04/2020 11:37:47 »
Quote from: duffyd on 01/04/2020 11:33:37
Pressing, pressing and pressing, desperately hurling wild, disconnected blobs of theories around to prove how you believe God doesn't exist, that He isn't necessary, that he's a myth loved only by deluded, right-wing, hypocritical Trump loving fools is downright funny at times. It just may be that your world will not collapse and swallow you slowly in quick sand if you are wrong. Lighten up.

I have written to Chris to share my feedback about TNS. He seems like a very intelligent, very decent guy who has put together one amazing online resource for really cool scientific information and more.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #821 on: 01/04/2020 11:57:56 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 01/04/2020 09:32:51
Quote from: CliveG on 01/04/2020 09:29:43
God hides in plain sight for those who believe and do not require scientific proof.
That's no bloody use to anyone, is it?

I think about Christ all day. I have for many years. I talk to him, too. I mean, I have conversations with him. I talk. He listens. He talks. I try to listen. (I'm getting better at it. It is tough for me to get sufficiently still in my being to pick up his "signals".) The thing I want to point out is just how cool it is to know Him. He is a great guy, my best buddy, my constant companion. I am still a novice, a babe in Christ in many ways. But, I love the guy. He's been unbelievable. He's done so much in me and for me and for others through me that would not have happened without him. I do not leave a path of crazed destruction behind me anymore. I don't use people like I once did as the gnarling, filthy beast I was. My child does not live in fear of me. We are great friends, actually. I don't go out of my way looking to fight anyone, or to dominate others, to force my will on anybody. (I forget how much I've changed.) I am grateful I don't hate everyone anymore. I'm grateful to have love inside my heart and soul for people. Don't get me wrong. I still hate. I still want to smash in some dude's face once in a while, but it is nothing, nothing like it was. I go to him immediately and express my feelings to him, seeking his help to be like him at those times. It's best for me to be open, upfront with him. He knows anyway and he doesn't condemn me. He's the only reason I am a better person today than once upon a time---and I didn't make these changes. He did. 
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #822 on: 01/04/2020 12:25:47 »
Quote from: duffyd on 01/04/2020 11:57:56
Quote from: Bored chemist on 01/04/2020 09:32:51
Quote from: CliveG on 01/04/2020 09:29:43
God hides in plain sight for those who believe and do not require scientific proof.
That's no bloody use to anyone, is it?

I think about Christ all day. I have for many years. I talk to him, too. I mean, I have conversations with him. I talk. He listens. He talks. I try to listen. (I'm getting better at it. It is tough for me to get sufficiently still in my being to pick up his "signals".) The thing I want to point out is just how cool it is to know Him. He is a great guy, my best buddy, my constant companion. I am still a novice, a babe in Christ in many ways. But, I love the guy. He's been unbelievable. He's done so much in me and for me and for others through me that would not have happened without him. I do not leave a path of crazed destruction behind me anymore. I don't use people like I once did as the gnarling, filthy beast I was. My child does not live in fear of me. We are great friends, actually. I don't go out of my way looking to fight anyone, or to dominate others, to force my will on anybody. (I forget how much I've changed.) I am grateful I don't hate everyone anymore. I'm grateful to have love inside my heart and soul for people. Don't get me wrong. I still hate. I still want to smash in some dude's face once in a while, but it is nothing, nothing like it was. I go to him immediately and express my feelings to him, seeking his help to be like him at those times. It's best for me to be open, upfront with him. He knows anyway and he doesn't condemn me. He's the only reason I am a better person today than once upon a time---and I didn't make these changes. He did. 
There are people who "talk to aliens" too.
How can you prove that your circumstances differ?
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #823 on: 01/04/2020 13:02:03 »
Ok, so now you have invented the ultimate intelligence out of thin air. Why? Was your argument crumbling? So if I have this right, god isn't all knowing, all powerful. God's just a servant of a figment of your imagination. Wow! It's a convincer. ;)
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #824 on: 01/04/2020 13:32:48 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 01/04/2020 12:25:47
Quote from: duffyd on 01/04/2020 11:57:56
Quote from: Bored chemist on 01/04/2020 09:32:51
Quote from: CliveG on 01/04/2020 09:29:43
God hides in plain sight for those who believe and do not require scientific proof.
That's no bloody use to anyone, is it?

I think about Christ all day. I have for many years. I talk to him, too. I mean, I have conversations with him. I talk. He listens. He talks. I try to listen. (I'm getting better at it. It is tough for me to get sufficiently still in my being to pick up his "signals".) The thing I want to point out is just how cool it is to know Him. He is a great guy, my best buddy, my constant companion. I am still a novice, a babe in Christ in many ways. But, I love the guy. He's been unbelievable. He's done so much in me and for me and for others through me that would not have happened without him. I do not leave a path of crazed destruction behind me anymore. I don't use people like I once did as the gnarling, filthy beast I was. My child does not live in fear of me. We are great friends, actually. I don't go out of my way looking to fight anyone, or to dominate others, to force my will on anybody. (I forget how much I've changed.) I am grateful I don't hate everyone anymore. I'm grateful to have love inside my heart and soul for people. Don't get me wrong. I still hate. I still want to smash in some dude's face once in a while, but it is nothing, nothing like it was. I go to him immediately and express my feelings to him, seeking his help to be like him at those times. It's best for me to be open, upfront with him. He knows anyway and he doesn't condemn me. He's the only reason I am a better person today than once upon a time---and I didn't make these changes. He did. 
There are people who "talk to aliens" too.
How can you prove that your circumstances differ?

Christ is an alien, too. This wasn't his home and it's not mine either, so I suppose I can't prove it.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #825 on: 01/04/2020 13:51:34 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 01/04/2020 09:00:32
Quote from: duffyd on 01/04/2020 03:23:09
It makes no sense at all to deny that God must have been involved in creating the universe. It didn't create itself.
Proof by loud assertion is not going to work on a science site.
Try again.

I didn't mean to hurt your ears! Avoid heaven at all costs.There will be perpetual boisterous singing to Him-- the sounds of which will fill the universe.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #826 on: 01/04/2020 13:57:23 »
Just a word of advice to everyone. If you don't have one, investing in a generator at this time is probably a smart thing to do. You can pick up a really good, new 5,000 to 7,500 watt unit for $600 to a thousand bucks. They will run a frig, a well pump, an air conditioner, your computers, t.v.s and radios.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #827 on: 01/04/2020 14:35:01 »
Quote from: CliveG on 01/04/2020 10:07:04
See my other post just done. God is good. Satan is bad. Both have to work within the rules set out by the Ultimate Intelligence.
Looks like God and Satan are Ultimate Intelligence's children. Did Satan create anything observable?
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #828 on: 01/04/2020 16:09:48 »
Quote from: duffyd on 01/04/2020 13:57:23
Just a word of advice to everyone. If you don't have one, investing in a generator at this time is probably a smart thing to do. You can pick up a really good, new 5,000 to 7,500 watt unit for $600 to a thousand bucks. They will run a frig, a well pump, an air conditioner, your computers, t.v.s and radios.

Good advice. I have two. One a pull-cord start but then also got an electric start. But then we have had power outs on a regular basis. However, the first one I got a while ago because I was concerned about the coming collapse. I also have solar with backup batteries. They are quiet, especially when running a CPAP machine at night. I have rain tanks, but the swimming pool is the main water source. Preppers have been scorned for a while. Not so laughable now.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #829 on: 01/04/2020 16:44:37 »
Quote from: alancalverd on 01/04/2020 09:16:12
Quote from: duffyd on 31/03/2020 23:00:54
"Innocent"? You believe there are people who are completely innocent, including inbred sin?
Your dogma is a disgusting excuse for bad behavior. Stew in it if you wish, but don't let me catch you spreading such filth.
Hard to swallow? Truth is truth. He was born of a virgin for a reason. He was and is the unblemished Lamb of God, the once and for all perfect blood sacrifice for all mankind.
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.
Sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people.
For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive an abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
He was delivered over to death for our trespasses and was raised to life for our justification.
For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
It is at the heart of the Gospel. Some insist Christ failed to address the evils of slavery. That is absolutely wrong. He came to set the slave free for he said, "He who keeps on sinning is the slave to sin." That's the reason he came; to break the bonds sin holds over us, enslaving us. That is the gospel. Getting rich, being healed, the power of positive thinking, the social gospel, are not the gospel. His shed blood for the forgiveness of sin and the cleansing of sin, his death and resurrection, these are the heart of the good news he brings to earth. It's an old, old story. It is offensive to the natural man.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #830 on: 01/04/2020 16:50:00 »
Quote from: hamdani yusuf on 01/04/2020 14:35:01
Quote from: CliveG on 01/04/2020 10:07:04
See my other post just done. God is good. Satan is bad. Both have to work within the rules set out by the Ultimate Intelligence.
Looks like God and Satan are Ultimate Intelligence's children. Did Satan create anything observable?

Finally you are getting a grasp on the concept.  :D

I suppose any illusionary character in a dream could be designated as a child. More like the main characters in a play with God having much more power.

Satan prefers to destroy what God creates but will create weapons such as a virus to do so.

I am fairly certain of the basic principles but I have to guess and use logic to try to answer your questions. I did not get a manual about the details. They really do not matter. God good - Satan evil - both plus the universe are a dream in the mind of the Ultimate Intelligence. I did learn about some rules and how the supernatural operates which is helpful to us all.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #831 on: 01/04/2020 16:59:22 »
Quote from: jeffreyH on 01/04/2020 13:02:03
Ok, so now you have invented the ultimate intelligence out of thin air. Why? Was your argument crumbling? So if I have this right, god isn't all knowing, all powerful. God's just a servant of a figment of your imagination. Wow! It's a convincer. ;)

You really have not been following my posts. In my early twenties, I experienced the Ultimate Intelligence when the dream ended. The dream started again with me retaining my knowledge but I was told it would seem like a hallucination.

I posted a link to the two chapters of a book I wrote about God telling me there would be a pandemic which would change the world and stop humankind destroying the planet. I must check if my description of experiencing the Ultimate Intelligence is in those two.

If you think the current situation is bad, and the projections worse, take note that you are only just seeing the start of the chaos.

You are right. God is not all-powerful and all knowing. See my previous post.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #832 on: 01/04/2020 17:07:23 »
"I dreamt a hamburger was eating me." seinfeld
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #833 on: 01/04/2020 17:23:48 »
Quote from: duffyd on 01/04/2020 13:57:23
Just a word of advice to everyone. If you don't have one, investing in a generator at this time is probably a smart thing to do. You can pick up a really good, new 5,000 to 7,500 watt unit for $600 to a thousand bucks. They will run a frig, ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frig_(word)

NSFW, btw.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #834 on: 01/04/2020 17:25:26 »
Quote from: duffyd on 01/04/2020 13:32:48
Christ is an alien, too. This wasn't his home and it's not mine either, so I suppose I can't prove it.
Deliberately missing the point does not mean you win the argument.
It just means you look silly.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #835 on: 01/04/2020 17:27:26 »
Quote from: CliveG on 01/04/2020 16:59:22
God is not all-powerful and all knowing.
Quote from: CliveG on 01/04/2020 09:29:43
duffyd and I do not disagree.

Seconds out. Round two.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #836 on: 01/04/2020 19:36:12 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 01/04/2020 17:25:26
Quote from: duffyd on 01/04/2020 13:32:48
Christ is an alien, too. This wasn't his home and it's not mine either, so I suppose I can't prove it.
Deliberately missing the point does not mean you win the argument.
It just means you look silly.
It is a fact! He was not from this world. He said so and so did the guys who hung out with him for years. He didn't act like he was an earthling, either, if you think about it. He was a preaching, teaching, healing machine. He never asked for a dime. He was poor, uneducated, single, not good looking, and people either hated his guts or were crazy in love with the guy. He could have stopped his execution, and he wanted to, but he died believing he was paying our debt to his old Man and he was certain he would rise again from the grave. He was not your normal dude by any stretch. He referred to events he witnessed in that other world, too. He said he watched satan get rocketed out of his home town. He knew Abe and Moe and those guys. No, he was a trip from a completely different world than the one we are from. He absolutely qualifies, he more than qualifies, as the real deal according to the standards and rules established by the World Federation of Alien Encounters and Other Unexplained Stuff, Inc.

BTW, thanks for the compliment. Looking silly is a vast improvement, if only you knew how I really look. Win? I haven't won anything in so long, I didn't even know we were gambling.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #837 on: 01/04/2020 20:30:11 »
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It is a fact!
It's an unevinced claim.

Don't you know the difference?
Quote from: duffyd on 01/04/2020 19:36:12
but he died believing he was paying our debt to his old Man
He died believing that He had been forsaken.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #838 on: 01/04/2020 23:21:14 »
Quote from: CliveG on 01/04/2020 10:07:04
Why so angry about God?
My anger is about the stupidity of people who waste their lives in the pointless worship of something that cannot possibly exist, or if it did, could not be affected by worship. And also towards the disgusting behavior of people who use god as an excuse for their perversions. Good deeds do not need an excuse.
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Re: Can science prove God exists?
« Reply #839 on: 01/04/2020 23:31:02 »
Quote from: duffyd on 01/04/2020 19:36:12
He was not from this world. He said so
There is no evidence for that statement. Indeed in Mark 8:31 and elsewhere he clearly stated that he was the Son of Man. So you either accept the word of Jesus Christ, or the bullshit put about by those who have cobbled together a spurious religion around his name. I always prefer the former, which, like most of what he said,  is consistent with everyday observation and common sense.
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