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Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
« Reply #100 on: 23/04/2020 12:31:40 »
Quote from: puppypower on 23/04/2020 12:11:37
Science does not have its own resources, but is beholden on others like government, business and private donations...
A grand total of none of whom care about the rotation of the Earth's core.
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Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
« Reply #101 on: 23/04/2020 18:02:38 »
Quote from: puppypower on 23/04/2020 12:11:37
One wild card variable that needs to a added, is that the core of the earth rotates faster than the surface. This is an observation that has been published in the scientific literature. However, many experts wish to ignore it, since it is a huge spoiler to all existing theory. This extra core rotation is relatively slow, but much faster than geological movement.

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/record/archives/vol22/vol22_iss1/Core_Spin.html

One would expect viscoelastic friction between the faster moving core and the outer core/upper mantle, which then drags the slower moving surface. The slower moving surface is closer to the moon and is more impacted by the gravity of the moon. There should be stresses on the surface. If we did not have earthquakes, to release the stresses, I would be very surprised.

Science needs to adapt to the latest data and not ignore what is inconvenient to the bureaucratic traditions and power structure. Nobody even mentions this revolutionary new observational data. Either scientists are not curious, or pseudo-censorship is in effect. The data was published but without any fanfare hoping it goes away.

The way science should work is such new data should be widely proclaimed, and a formal declaration be made that states something like, " all existing theory for the earth, has been brought into question by some new revolutionary observational data. For now on, all that was considered infallible, is now once again part of alternative theory. Let the gold rush begin. "

This would be better for science, since it would stimulate the creative minds, who will prospect for gold. This give incentive for progress since the creators would be on equal footing with the obsolete, instead of under the thumb of the obsolete as is now the case.

Science does not have its own resources, but is beholden on others like government, business and private donations for it's funding. These all have influence, as to what shall be in science. You bring the basketball to the game, you get to set the rules. This is about the money. No politician or bureaucrat will allow anything to change, if that change can make them look bad or foolish. The progress of science suffers. This is why we are in the bronze and rusty metal age of science. There is no excuse for this. 





The kind of anti- science idiocy we expect from you, which purely to demonstrate that you and your ilk really do not understand how science works so you content yourself with posting idiotic nonsense.
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Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
« Reply #102 on: 24/04/2020 14:10:54 »
Quote from: The Spoon on 23/04/2020 18:02:38
Quote from: puppypower on 23/04/2020 12:11:37
One wild card variable that needs to a added, is that the core of the earth rotates faster than the surface. This is an observation that has been published in the scientific literature. However, many experts wish to ignore it, since it is a huge spoiler to all existing theory. This extra core rotation is relatively slow, but much faster than geological movement.

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/record/archives/vol22/vol22_iss1/Core_Spin.html

One would expect viscoelastic friction between the faster moving core and the outer core/upper mantle, which then drags the slower moving surface. The slower moving surface is closer to the moon and is more impacted by the gravity of the moon. There should be stresses on the surface. If we did not have earthquakes, to release the stresses, I would be very surprised.

Science needs to adapt to the latest data and not ignore what is inconvenient to the bureaucratic traditions and power structure. Nobody even mentions this revolutionary new observational data. Either scientists are not curious, or pseudo-censorship is in effect. The data was published but without any fanfare hoping it goes away.

The way science should work is such new data should be widely proclaimed, and a formal declaration be made that states something like, " all existing theory for the earth, has been brought into question by some new revolutionary observational data. For now on, all that was considered infallible, is now once again part of alternative theory. Let the gold rush begin. "

This would be better for science, since it would stimulate the creative minds, who will prospect for gold. This give incentive for progress since the creators would be on equal footing with the obsolete, instead of under the thumb of the obsolete as is now the case.

Science does not have its own resources, but is beholden on others like government, business and private donations for it's funding. These all have influence, as to what shall be in science. You bring the basketball to the game, you get to set the rules. This is about the money. No politician or bureaucrat will allow anything to change, if that change can make them look bad or foolish. The progress of science suffers. This is why we are in the bronze and rusty metal age of science. There is no excuse for this. 





The kind of anti- science idiocy we expect from you, which purely to demonstrate that you and your ilk really do not understand how science works so you content yourself with posting idiotic nonsense.

There is other recent data that needs to be taken into account. For example, water has been found in large quantifies, inside the earth. The first team who notice this found an ocean sized pool of water, below the crust near south east Asia, in about 2004. More recently, larger pools of water have been found even deeper, approaching the earth's core.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25723-massive-ocean-discovered-towards-earths-core/

I do not agree with the conclusion of the paper, as to future direction of the internal water. That conclusion, by the authors is status quo and based on an outdated notion of density differences making iron and heavy atoms sink and water and higher atoms float upward.

Water, under conditions of high temperature and high pressure; above its critical point, has enhanced chemical solvent properties. At super critical conditions water can dissolve rocks and grid down any organic material. The movement of the water, inside the earth, will driven by entropy and free energy considerations, regardless of the direction of gravity. Confined water will dissolve downward toward the core. This can be demonstrated in the lab, Water, if confined in the inner earth, will dissolve minerals and will migrate towards highest temperature and pressure, since this direction is where the solubility of minerals is highest. Water will follow the chemical potential.

This can be easily proven in the lab and is the way artificial and natural gems stones are made in hydrothermal solutions. In the diagram below, of a hydrothermal crystal growth chamber, the higher solubility of minerals in water will occur at the bottom where there is the most heat.

Convections takes the hotter saturated solution, upward where it will crystallize onto the cooler seed crystal. The seed is at lower temperature, where the mineral is less soluble. This causes the mineral to form on the crystal. As the depleted water cools, it descends via convection toward the heat only to eat away more mineral for another cycle. The water inside the earth is eating its way toward core, leaving material behind as it descends. This driven by free energy in spite of the density difference.This is basic chemical potential 1.0. The continuity of water from atmosphere to the core integrates the earth's climate, crustal activity and rotating core.



I predicted that water would be found from the atmosphere, all the way to the core back in 2004. I was proven right ten years later.  It takes a while of science data to catch up. Did the dynamo predict the inner water, also? The dynamo model now needs to be revised for the water, since extreme phase water is very reactive and will impact the core's iron-iron oxide equilibrium. My theory has the iron giving off electrons to extreme phase water. This driven by solar evaporation where positive charge appears in water of the atmosphere. This integrated affect make the ocean slightly alkaline; negatively charged water. This also impacts life which is is based on water being the majority component of life.

When does the dynamo model remediation begin? Or will the dynamo model get a pass? I am not anti-science, I am for no preferential treatment for only the status quo, when it is shown to be defective by new data. Why build on a foundation with flaws, until the cracks are fixed? Why not, in the mean time, open things to fresh new ideas, since the status quo has this need?

Maybe the forum can add a section called remediation of status quo theory. When new data and observation appears that challenge existing theory, this can be the half way house between dogma and alternate theory, until it upgrades or falls flat. The fact that this mediation half way house does not occur is troubling to me. It creates the false impression all is well. I understand human nature, but I like to make sure everyone understands, that I understand. I can see how this would be troubling to the power to be, even if science benefits. I complain, but I accept it.


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Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
« Reply #103 on: 25/04/2020 01:58:16 »
Quote from: puppypower on 24/04/2020 14:10:54
There is other recent data that needs to be taken into account. For example, water has been found in large quantifies, inside the earth.
Oh great, here we go with Aqualad again.
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Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
« Reply #104 on: 25/04/2020 14:12:19 »
Quote from: Bobolink on 25/04/2020 01:58:16
Quote from: puppypower on 24/04/2020 14:10:54
There is other recent data that needs to be taken into account. For example, water has been found in large quantifies, inside the earth.
Oh great, here we go with Aqualad again.

I am pointing out the latest data that needs to be taken into account. These are new pieces to the puzzle. Repression of valid, but contradictory data, does not advance science, but it can perpetuate bureaucracy.

There is other data useful that was been generated at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. This particular research deals with extreme pressure water. One exotic phase of water, discovered, that should exist at the conditions of the upper mantle, is superionic water. This is a phase of water where the oxygen atoms of water form a matrix, and all hydrogen protons move freely in the matrix. This is not your typical H2O anymore.

This phase of water would be very corrosive to any form of crust material. The hydrogen protons of the superionic water will migrate into minerals, which have a partial oxygen matrix, releasing cations, which then move into the oxygen matrix of the super ionic water.

https://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/PT.6.1.20190517a/full/

If we have a pressure drop in the upper mantle, the superionic matrix will need to change phase back to hydrothermal thermal water. This rearrangement of oxygen and hydrogen atoms is very explosive, as the oxygen and hydrogen totally change orientations. This could provide energy for upward lift and plate sliding.

Researchers at Lawrence Livermore also did work with water at even higher temperature and pressure conditions. As the experiments evolved, the conditions for the phase boundaries came down. Now the various layers of inner earth; upper mantle,lower mantle, outer core and core, appear to coordinate with exotic phases of water. For example, at the conditions for the earth's core; 5200C and 3.6 million atm, the lab was able to make metallic water. This is consistent with the seismic data that suggests a solid earth core.  However,this data and the observation of water toward the core suggests the core should be solid iron and some metallic water.

We cannot avoid the water, since the phases of water appear to align with the layers of the inner earth. It is very likely the water phases define these layers and their boundaries. These boundaries may have changed over time if we assume water was not always part of the earth. This water is also continuous based on other data. While exotic phase water is very reactive at extreme pressures and temperatures.

My model has the sun evaporating water ,which separates the hydrogen bonding of water adding positive change to the atmosphere. The oxygen is more electronegative and can accommodate the extra elections easier than the hydrogen can the positive charge. This atmospheric positive charge will add a potential for elections to move upward from the inner earth. The best source of elections would be the iron in the core of the earth.  Lodestone or iron oxide is a naturally occurring magnetic material.

The magneto model is still useful. One should not thrown out the baby with the bathwater since the baby is clean. All I did was add extra energy to the model, via a water related induced flow of electrons to the surface. The oceans become naturally negatively charged; Alkaline.

In my model the bulge at the equator is not due to centrfugal force but the equator being the zone of maximum solar input. This is supported by the seismic observation that seismic waves move faster north to south than east to west. If you factor out distances and normalize the north to south is denser than east to west. Election fluff has been added at the equator. In the link below the authors tried to stay consistent with the status quo. The significance of the link is the seismic data and the lower density discovered east to west; equator. More Centrifugal force should sling the heavier material better, correct?

https://www.wired.com/2010/05/crystals-earth-core/
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Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
« Reply #105 on: 25/04/2020 14:36:30 »
Quote from: puppypower on 25/04/2020 14:12:19
I am pointing out the latest data that needs to be taken into account. These are new pieces to the puzzle. Repression of valid, but contradictory data, does not advance science, but it can perpetuate bureaucracy.
What you actually did was lie about the discovery of the core's superotation.


Quote from: puppypower on 24/04/2020 14:10:54
The movement of the water, inside the earth, will driven by entropy and free energy considerations, regardless of the direction of gravity.
Gravity is a free energy consideration you nitwit.

It's what drives convection.
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Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
« Reply #106 on: 25/04/2020 14:38:17 »
Quote from: puppypower on 25/04/2020 14:12:19
The oceans become naturally negatively charged; Alkaline.
It's hard to imagine anything better electrically earthed (and thus neutral i.e. uncharged) than the ocean.
Acidity and alkalinity are not related to electrical charge.
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Re: The reason for the geological activity of the planets
« Reply #107 on: 25/04/2020 23:28:09 »
Quote from: puppypower on 24/04/2020 14:10:54
Maybe the forum can add a section called remediation of status quo theory.
I have long thought there should be a special section to which we can relegate cranks and fantasists like yourself.
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Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #108 on: 13/05/2020 09:17:20 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 23/02/2020 11:49:26
2) The earth is in the center of the ellipse of the moon, and not to the side, this can be easily checked. By measuring the time of the movement of the moon, from the new moon to the full moon, and from the full moon to the new moon, this time should be equal. https://images.app.goo.gl/oUjjnEf43Duknv1f6
Who will be able to answer this question.
« Last Edit: 13/05/2020 10:56:07 by Yusup Hizirov »
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Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #109 on: 14/05/2020 01:50:06 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 13/05/2020 09:17:20
Who will be able to answer this question.

That isn't a question. There are no question marks.
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Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #110 on: 15/05/2020 05:34:51 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 13/05/2020 09:17:20
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 23/02/2020 11:49:26
2) The earth is in the center of the ellipse of the moon, and not to the side, this can be easily checked. By measuring the time of the movement of the moon, from the new moon to the full moon, and from the full moon to the new moon, this time should be equal. https://images.app.goo.gl/oUjjnEf43Duknv1f6
Who will be able to answer this question?
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Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #111 on: 15/05/2020 13:15:39 »
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Who will be able to answer this question?
Me.
I am answering the question by posting this.
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Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #112 on: 27/05/2020 14:33:56 »
Based on the foregoing, we can put forward the hypothesis of the formation of the solar system.
1. The solar system is an autonomous object of the Universe, and does not revolve around the center of the "galaxy", but is in space in a stationary state.
2. Sunlight, due to the deflecting force of the Coriolis, revolves around the solar system.
3. At the edge of the solar system, sunlight rotates against the rotation of the sun, at a speed of about 0 km / s, relative to the universe. https://images.app.goo.gl/GZMt3h1e1dH86wWN6
4. Радиус Солнечной системы зависит от скорости света, радиуса Солнца и осевой скорости Солнца. R ≈ c?r/ω
Скорость света ≈ 1 000 000 000 км/час.
Радиус Солнца ≈ 700 000 км.
Линейная скорость вращения Солнца ≈ 7000 км/ч.
Радиус Солнечной системы ≈ 1 000 000 000 000 км.
Благодаря силе Кориолиса Солнца Солнечная система не разбросана в пространстве, а имеет форму сферы. https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%84%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0
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Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #113 on: 01/06/2020 19:33:31 »
A planet is an object of the solar system that has an atmosphere and axial speed. (Pluto).
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Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #114 on: 02/06/2020 01:19:25 »
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A planet is an object of the solar system that has an atmosphere and axial speed. (Pluto).

Not according to the International Astronomical Union: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAU_definition_of_planet
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Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #115 on: 02/06/2020 04:17:04 »
Quote from: Kryptid on 02/06/2020 01:19:25
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 01/06/2020 19:33:31
A planet is an object of the solar system that has an atmosphere and axial speed. (Pluto).

Not according to the International Astronomical Union: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAU_definition_of_planet
A planet, this is an object of the solar system whose atmosphere rotates in the direction of rotation of the planet. (Pluto-?). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAU_definition_of_planet
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Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #116 on: 02/06/2020 05:10:29 »
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A planet, this is an object of the solar system whose atmosphere rotates in the direction of rotation of the planet. (Pluto-?).

Did you even bother to read the definition? Atmospheres and rotation have nothing to do with the IAU definition. Pluto is not a planet.
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Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #117 on: 02/06/2020 08:34:29 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 01/06/2020 19:33:31
planet is an object of the solar system that has an atmosphere and axial speed. (Pluto).
What do you think "axial speed" even means in this context?
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Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #118 on: 02/06/2020 20:01:30 »
Quote from: Bored chemist on 02/06/2020 08:34:29
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 01/06/2020 19:33:31
planet is an object of the solar system that has an atmosphere and axial speed. (Pluto).
What do you think "axial speed" even means in this context?
Not synchronous rotation.
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Re: The Coriolis Force on Earth and in the Universe
« Reply #119 on: 02/06/2020 20:18:13 »
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 02/06/2020 04:17:04
Quote from: Kryptid on 02/06/2020 01:19:25
Quote from: Yusup Hizirov on 01/06/2020 19:33:31
A planet is an object of the solar system that has an atmosphere and axial speed. (Pluto).

Not according to the International Astronomical Union: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAU_definition_of_planet
A planet, this is an object of the solar system whose atmosphere rotates in the direction of rotation of the planet. (Pluto-?). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAU_definition_of_planet
Why have you completely ignored the accepted definition even when quoting it? You don't interact when it is pointed out how wrong you are - is this stupidity or are you just trolling?
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