Your Questions and the Science of Sword Swallowing

08 March 2009

We get to the point of cutting edge Naked science this week, answering your science questions and exploring the science of sword swallowing. We find out how the amazon could become a carbon criminal, learn how to predict the extent of an avalanche, and celebrate the passing of DD45 - an object that floated past the Earth inside the orbit of the Moon. Plus, we find out if you can catch foot odour, if a bath full of vodka would get you drunk, and the delights of Liver a L'Orange! Meera Senthilingam takes a 'thinking Walk' with Sir David Attenborough to learn about Charles Darwin, and Dave seems to defy physics by making bubbles that sink!

In this episode

20:03 - Bubbles that sink - Antibubbles

Bubbles that sink - Antibubbles

21:47 - Can you catch foot odour?

Can you catch foot odour?

Kat - Foot odour is primarily due to the bacteria that live just around your feet. If you've got sweaty feet, if you don't keep them clean you're going to have a massive build-up of bacteria. Technically if you rubbed your feet you would transfer the bacteria but then they would need to have the right conditions like sweaty, dirty feet. One thing that can make your feet smell a bit is having athlete's foot. That is a fungal infection and you can catch that. You can pick it up in changing rooms, you can pick it up by rubbing your feet against someone's who's got it. That might make your feet a bit whiffy and you could catch that.

Dave - Would different bacteria smell different? Maybe you can catch a different set of smelly bacteria off someone else?

Kat - Different bacteria do have different smells. There's all kinds of bacteria in the world that have different properties and it's all about the gases that they produce that make you smell. They may react differently on your skin if you have different levels of things in your sweat. I don't want to talk about this any longer! Chris - A few foot-related facts. Your feet actually squirt a litre-and-a-half of sweat into your socks every 24 hours. You're shedding something like 40,000 skin cells every minute or so over a lifetime that adds up to one-and-a-half stone of dead skin. If you take the surface area of your body and feet are a proportion, that's a lot of dead skin just off your feet. If your feet are stewing in a nice sweaty pair of trainers that don't allow them to breathe what you've got is bacteria, warm, wet and food and that's what causes the bacterial banquet that makes the smelliness. Kat - Wash your feet, change your socks.

23:39 - If I bathed in vodka would it get me drunk?

If I bathed in vodka would it get me drunk?

Kat - That's my idea of fun. I don't know because if you have a bath...

Chris - If you drink the bath water...My children do!

Kat - If you drank it, it might. I don't know if we absorb stuff through our skin. I thin kthe skin's barricaded for the blood stream.

Chris - The skin is pretty good but you do absorb alcohol at the sites of mucus membranes. That's why French people love putting suppositories in their bottoms, for example. There are some tablets you can put under your tongue. Where you have a mucus membrane the blood vessels are very close to the surface and the skin Is very thin. You can get things that dissolve well in fats to go through. Kat - Would a lady, as well - through her lady parts - could get drunk by sitting in a bath of vodka?

Chris - Yes, men as well. I think you probably could absorb small amounts that way. Also your eyes, you cold get some of the vapour going in through your eyes, up your nose because it would volatilise. Presumably you'd make it warm sitting in a bath. You'd probably want it warm. Kat - Maybe a cocktail umbrella.

Chris - Maybe some fruit to go with it. Dave - I guess it'd also dry you out very quickly because osmosis would suck al the water out from inside you. Chris - You'd be quite dessicated. You wouldn't want to drink the vodka probably, afterwards.

25:00 - Is morning sickness inherited?

Is morning sickness inherited?

Chris - I can probably help you out there. Yes, morning sickness is because by definition it's genetic. When you're pregnant you've got someone else's DNA in you and as a result it makes you get sick. Everyone gets it, pretty much, once or twice in your lifetime - depending on how many times you get pregnant. Therefore you could say it is inherited. What actually is it? This is emesis gravidarum which is a fancy Latin expression which means 'puking of people who are pregnant.' Why this happens is we think it's down to a hormone called beta-hCG: human chorionic gonadotropin. This is a hormone which is produced by the early foetus, just as it's beginning to implant into the uterus. It puts this into the bloodstream to maintain the survival of a structure called the corpus luteum which is where the egg came from in the ovary. That structure makes progesterone. Progesterone keeps the uterus lush and well-supplied with blood so it can sustain a pregnancy. Until the placenta develops properly which is where the progesterone comes from afterwards you need that corpus luteum to stay alive. That's where you make beta-hCG. But it seems to mimic another hormone called TSH: thyroid stimulating hormone. When women are pregnant they seem to have a slightly higher metabolic rate. It might be that part of the symptoms are your metabolic rate going up because you have more active thyroxine, the body's own thermostatic hormone. As a result of that extra thyroxine level you are made to feel as if you are being sick more often. Usually though, it's not major problem., It comes on at 2 months of pregnancy, it peaks at 3 months and is gone by 3 or 4 months. There are some people who are very unfortunate and they have hyper-emesis and this can necessitate hospitalisation, unfortunately because it can be so severe. There is some evidence that can run in families but I think the numbers are so small there's not been any really strong, robust evidence to actually confirm that.

27:25 - What happens when a bomb explodes underwater?

What happens when a bomb explodes underwater?

Dave - Well when any bomb explodes the first thing you're going to get is a lot of high-pressure gas because you've taken a load of solid and turned it into gas. It wants to expand. Water isn't going to move away nearly as quickly as air does. The pressure's going to remain very high, pushing water away. The fastest the water can move away is roughly the speed of sound in water. That's 1400m/s. You're going to form a bubble. As that water is pushed away very fast you're going to get a second powerful sound wave or pressure wave moving away from it. If the water doesn't compress that's going to have a very high pressure and do a lot of damage which is why depth charges can destroy strong things like submarines, even 10-20m away. Apparently it's way that there's a theory of how you might be able to blow up safes. If you fill a safe with water an drop a small charge in then because the pressure change is so much greater it might blow the door off.

Chris - That's because all the pressure is being exerted on the safe. If you were to just stack a load or dynamite at the front of the safe, some of it would hit the safe but a lot of that pressure would go out.

Dave - The gas that's produced, all that extra volume that's produced is pushed on the side of the safe. Normally you can just compress the air inside the room. Kat - It would be more explosive if you fart in the bath as well.

28:55 - Is bad breath caused by bacteria?

Is bad breath caused by bacteria?

Chris - Absolutely, the bacteria that live in our mouths and metabolise what we put into our mouths and their metabolites are smelly. They can also be helpful because scientists showed in the last six months that they also give certain wines that lovely, what's called, retro aroma. The taste of the wine coming on in your mouth after you've swallowed it. Scientists showed that the bacteria break down sulphur compounds that are previously flavourless. As soon as you put them in your mouth the bacteria break down the compounds into smelly, whiffy compounds and that gives you the extra taste and extra dimension to a fine wine.

37:55 - Darwin's Science in Schools

The Wellcome Trust's Darwin initiatives see the science of Darwin taken into schools. Meera went along for the launch to chat with Sir David Attenborough about the importance of...

Darwin's Science in Schools
with Angela MacFarlane, Kew Gardens; Sir David Attenborough

Meera - 2009 is Darwin year and it's 200 years since the birth of Charles Darwin. This week I'm at St Jude's primary school in Herne Hill, London for the launch of the Wellcome Trust's Darwin initiatives.  These include resources such as the Tree of Life: a short film exploring evolution on Earth.  Today sees the launch of the great plant hunt where a treasure chest filled with activities has just been delivered by Sir David Attenborough to the kids here at St Jude's to help them explore nature and science the way Darwin did.  With me now is Angela MacFarlane, Director of Content and Learning at the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew, who helped create this amazing treasure chests. Angela, tell me more about the great plant hunt.

Angela - The great plant hunt is a project to get every single primary school child in the country involved in some real outdoor hands-on science, following the steps of Darwin.

Portrait of Charles DarwinMeera - What kind of things are inside the chest?

Angela - There's a millennium seed bank, mini seed bank which is what our scientists use to preserve seed and to keep the seed viable over many years.  They've got a plant press, they've got magnifiers, they've got seeds, a story book and then on the website they've got a space where they can share photographs of the work they've done with every other school in the country.

Meera - How can things contained in this kit help them understand more about Darwin's principle?

Angela - All of the activities start off with a thinking walk.  The methods that Darwin used were actually pretty straight forward. He went out and made good observations.  He made records.  He made collections.  The key thing is he did a lot of very high quality thinking.  What we want to do is get the children thinking about what they're seeing.  If they live in an inner city area and they can't get out into the countryside they can actually do a thinking walk just in the playground, looking at the things that are growing on the walls, coming up through the concrete.  They start off by looking at what's growing around them, making collections, doing experiments and their thinking develops from that point onwards.

Meera - Why do you think it's important for children to know more and understand more about Darwin's theories and his science?

Angela - Well the thing about Darwin's science is it's actually very accessible.  It's a really good introduction to science generally, collecting evidence, doing experiments.  We need them to understand the importance of science and scientists to the everyday world around them.  For example, the fact that we don't know all there is to know about the natural world is a really important message.

Canadian MapleMeera - Angela MacFarlane from the Royal Botanic Gardens at Kew.  It looks like we're about to set off on one of these thinking walks now with the kids to explore the kid's nature garden.  We've been wondering around the nature garden looking out for plant and, in particular, weeds to get them thinking about how they manage to grow in unusual places.  With me are some members of the year two class in St Jude's.  What have we all discovered about weeds today?

First Pupil - They grow in different places like in the walls and the trees and soil and even stones.

Second Pupil - I'm wondering, how do they come through if there's loads of stones all over the place?

Third Pupil - The seeds of one of the flowers must have made a weed grow through one of the stones.

Meera - What about Charles Darwin? Do you know much about him yet?

First Pupil - He went on the HMS Beagle and discovered al sorts of things.

Second Pupil - Well I know that he was born February 12th. He died when he was 200.

Third Pupil  - He was idle at school, he wrote lots of pages about worms and he played with dogs. He was born 200 years ago.

Meera - He was indeed, born 200 years ago, rather than living for 200 years!  Thanks to the Year 2s at St Jude's primary school.  The great plant hunt was kicked off here today by Sir David Attenborough who's been walking around with the kids, exploring the garden himself.  I caught up with him earlier to talk about why Darwin's theories have been so important to science today.

David - Well, it is the unifying theory of the life sciences and it continually throws up new problems and produces and suggests new answer.  A precise detailed mechanism whereby variation can arise and why different varieties and different variations become selected.  There's a lot of work to be done on that.  It also threw up a number of problems.  If it was true there are a number of difficulties which scientists at the time very properly said:  'We don't understand that. How could that be if Darwin was right?'  In the hundred and fifty years since publication of the Origin of the Species every one of those major problems by scientists sometimes working in a quite different field.  Suddenly you'll discover that they have found something which has validated Darwin's theory.

Page from Dawins notebooks showing an evolutionary treeMeera - So one project you've been working on has been the tree of life project.  What is this and how does it represent Darwin's thoughts?

David - Well, when Darwin in one of his early notebooks was speculating about how life might have developed he drew a tree.  It looks like a trunk and then it branches into different branches and the branches then branch into small branches and so on.  That was the way he thought life could develop.  Everything that we've known since then has proved that is indeed the way that the tree of life has developed.  In recent years we've discovered DNA.  Darwin didn't know anything about DNA but DNA enables you to establish the relationships of and organism.  Just as in our law courts DNA is used, DNA fingerprinting, to establish the paternity of a child.  Now that kind of DNA fingerprinting can also establish the relationship between, say, a lion or a tiger or a chimpanzee and a gorilla and a man.  An enormous amount of work has been done by DNA scientists now so that we can draw the diagram which is the tree of life with complete confidence.

44:54 - Is evolution, natural selection still working in the human race in the present day?

Is evolution, natural selection still working in the human race in the present day?

Chris - I reckon the answer is probably yes. What do we think?

Kat - Yes. Evolution, natural selection is basically the response of organisms to changes in their environment. Our environment is changing. We are adapting. We've grown in size a lot due to better nutrition over the past 100,000 years. Chris - Yes, I think I'd probably add to that and say there are good examples of things like sickle cell anaemia where people have evolved this trait which makes your haemoglobin a funny shape which means it's not so good if you have two copies of that gene. If you have one copy you can't catch malaria. That's a good example of a mutation that benefits you in Europe. Lactose intolerance is absent but it's present in other populations in the world. We have evolved a gene in Europe which enables us to digest lactose, a major sugar in milk because people began to farm cows. There's another mutation that makes us healthier. Kat - They say the genes for very fair hair and red headed are dying out because of inbreeding. We are evolving that way. Chris - And also resistance to HIV, there's CCR5-delta-32. This is an alternative form of a gene in the immune system which happens to give you, if you're a carrier of that, resistance to HIV infection. This has only really surfaced as important since HIV came along. There's a couple of us gaining a new mutation. Dave - Although I guess in Western countries where pretty much everybody survives the only real survival of the fittest is to do with how many children you have. The direction in which the western population is evolving is towards the people who have the most children.

Kat - It's the breeders!

46:52 - Why do hot objects cause injury?

Why does heat damage your cells? We find out what's going on in a burn on this Question of the Week...

Why do hot objects cause injury?

We put this to Peter Djiewulski, Plastic and Reconstructive Surgeon, Director of Burns Centre at St Andrew's Centre for Burns.

What happens when somebody gets burned and their tissue is burned is that heat causes direct damage to cells. It denatures proteins within and without cells. It's that injury and the breakup of cells and the contents with in the cells, particularly some of the enzymes within the cells that will initially cause pain but secondarily bits of cells that break down cause local irritation. The cell wall breaks down and that leads to a number of breakdown products which are involved in inflammation and the inflammatory response. Most people have burnt themselves and therefore would be well-aware of the local effects that the burn and the body's reaction to the burn will cause. That is usually swelling, redness and tenderness. At a molecular level these events are mediated by the inflammatory mediators which have effects on, particularly, the tiny ittle blood vessels that go up to and into the skin to make them leaky. This allows fluid which is usually in the blood vessels to leak out and this gives rise to swelling.

50:22 - Why hasn't arthritis evolved out?

Why hasn't arthritis evolved out?

Chris - It's a good question. Why haven't we evolved out of getting diseases like arthritis? Why hasn't that gone away, why hasn't evolution given us better cartilage. The answer is, Dave kind of hinted at this earlier. It's all down to having children. If something stops you ahving children then the genes that stop you having children will be removed from the population and genes that help you to have children and live long enough to have children will be enriched in the population. Since arthritis is really a disease of old age - it doesn't tend to come on until you're in your 60s. I think 100% of people aged 60 have some degree of arthritis. It's not till you're a bit older than that even that you tend to have occupational problems of joint damage already that you need major surgery. The reality is that because arthritis doesn't stop you have you children the genes that might make you have an increased risk of it don't get removed from the population. As a result we all have the same risk of arthritis. It's a bit like going bald. Because most people don't get bald until after they've had children as a result we haven't removed that gene from the population. There's lots of men who've got male pattern baldness.

55:14 - Why do my eyes water when I choke on food?

Why do my eyes water when I choke on food?

Chris - The reason for that is because you have various reflexes that are designed to protect your airway. There's a nerve supply, the internal laryngeal nerve which is sensitive to everything touching your epiglottis inwards and down into your airway. You need to defend your airway very carefully because if anything goes in there it could threaten your ability to breathe. There's a very profound choking reflex and that triggers a cough. It also triggers various secretions to happen, the idea being that it will lubricate your mouth and anything that's stuck will get free. At the same time the same secretery, motor system also make your eyes water a bit. It makes tears come to your eyes and also what you're doing when you're coughing and choking you're blowing air up your tear duct. Normally the tears that you've got in your eyes drain down little punctum which is a little plug hole in your lower eyelid towards the middle. They go down towards the naso-lacrymal duct and tip into your nose. If you raise the pressure in your nose by coughing, sneezing, blowing your nose the pressure is reversed. It pushes the tears back up your tear duct and into your eye. There's two things going on. One - you increase the secretions and two you probably jettison some tears back into your eyes.

56:36 - How high is a pile of a trillion dollars?

How high is a pile of a trillion dollars?

Dave - We were looking it up - they were about 1/10th of a millimetre high. That would come to 100,000km high or a third of the way to the moon.

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